EVE General Discussion

So? I'm not saying that the person who has the killright shouldn't be able to freely attack their ganker, I'm asking why the person they're outsourcing revenge to should be able to perform that revenge without consequence?

And I see nothing in there about transferrable killrights.

Putting bounties on folks with positive secstatus will likely end up being controversial. Awesome ideas always puts a bug into the pants of the carebears.

The part that says "sell or rent out kill rights" is referring to the selling or renting out of kill rights.

Killrights at the moment are a system that isn't being used. Besides, many ganks are made upon industry or low-skill alts that wouldn't be able to take advantage of the killrights anyway.

I don't understand your objection to outsourcing a bit of pewpew. What's the difference between the original character attacking a person without consequence and someone else attacking the same person without consequence? Remember that many characters being ganked aren't skilled in pvp. Besides that, a percentage-based bounty system wouldn't work in highsec unless the mercenary was able to kill the target for profit. If the target flies a battlecruiser, suicide ganking for profit just isn't possible.

A wardec allows you to pay to attack someone. Buying killrights allows you to attack someone. The difference is, with a wardec, they could be innocent, they know you're coming and they'll fly a suitable pvp ship. With transferrable killrights, they've performed a criminal action, which they knew would create a kill right (this is important), you can catch them by surprise, and you're more able to catch them in something that'll hurt their wallet when it goes 'boom'.

I think another important difference is that a wardec will likely cost more but allows you to attack that person multiple times. A killright only works once. Whether or not it will cost more to buy will depend upon the bounty or the target, I guess.

The question remains if it will be used to nullify Concord.
The way I read it, there isn't really a need for motive to bounty someone so the system can and will get used as a Vendetta system to grief out anyone and everyone.

It will only be a matter of time before every ship class in EVE has bounties on it. If that happens, places like Jita become harvest grounds.

that is exactly what I was talking about in my post earlier on. but the way I see it, it's mostly speculation at this time and this topic needs to receive a response from at least one of the devs confirming or denying any of these rumors, and explaining just how it will work after the winter expansion is deployed.

It takes two. One who may have been stupid enough to attract a gank, and the second who made the choice to commit a crime. Allowing transfer of kill rights isn't just there to allow free attacks. The bounty and killright systems were created to allow players to punish people who commit a crime. That is, it's always been an intended feature of EVE Online. The transfer of killrights is going to allow bounties and killrights to achieve that goal. Your insistence that people should have to wardec or suicide gank is ignoring the intent of the killrights system - that it may allow players to punish criminals and might make criminals think twice before ganking an innocent, which it is currently failing to do.

Not anymore.

Sure it is. Why else would you need the kill right? If you want to hurt the guy who hurt you and you want it to be a surprise, you can do that, it's just going to cost you the ship you use to suicide gank them.

The killrights system is there to allow people to get revenge on people who wronged them. Not to avenge other people's losses. If you want to avenge other people's losses, it's going to cost you, because you're butting into someone else's business.



And that's a problem and a terrible idea.

Bounty system is to allow those industrialists, freighter pilots and generally pilots with ISK to get revenge by the hands of competent pilots. It's BOUNTY system, for BOUNTY hunters. And it should have a revenge factor by the kill rights manipulation.

The percentage bounty means that the amount of bounty paid out is somewhere under the value of the ship, like the faction war LP system. It's not set by players. This means that getting a large enough bounty paid out to be worth your time means you need to attack a high-value ship. High-value ships just happen to be ships that require a large investment to gank. It has been made that to gank a ship you generally need to spend as much or more than the value of the ship to destroy it, especially with the no-insurance nerf to suicide ganking. For this reason suicide ganking ships for profit in the new bounty system is unlikely to be worthwhile. In the current system, suicide ganks for bounty profit are made using smartbomb battleships and this is only possible because the whole bounty is paid out at the same time.

One intention for transferrable killrights is to allow people to purchase the right in anticipation of attacking someone to claim the bounty, because the cost of wardecs may just be too high for the amount of bounty you can expect to claim.

You ask about risk for the person buying the killright. Please remember that while risk/reward is an important ratio in this game, risk isn't the only thing that nets you reward. The merc is investing isk into buying a killright that they may never get to use. And what about the risk for the ganker themselves? After making that gank they face almost zero risk of the victim using the killright. No-one even considers it, really - miners choose to aggress the ganker with their hobgoblins to get on the CONCORD mail rather than take the killrights.

Yes. Killrights allow your character to take revenge on another character. Which is why they are currently all but useless.

Also your suggestion of training pvp skills on a mining alt is stupid. People don't do that, which is why the game is changing.

e: ships that are profitable to gank, by the way, are usually gits hauling more cargo than the cost to gank their ship is worth. because they'd have been ganked anyway, they can be discounted when it comes to discussing players attacking ships for bounty.

I'm sure CCP has not forgotten about insurance.