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Need a Gallente ship to do C1-C3 WH. Please advise?
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TOPMOE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-09-28 16:00:53 UTC
I'm looking to fit a Gallente BC/HAC for WH complex/sig clearing, and because of the inherent drone issues with Sleepers, I need to figure out something of a blaster boat.
I currently have about 11.8mil SP, represented by this graph. I'm considering flying a Brutix with the following fit, while I train for an Ishtar (seems like a decent boat for L4 missions, in case I want to go back to those.

I'd appreciate if comments like "LOL, y u fit bad ship, quit now or buy better toon", or "Forget Gallente ships for WH" were left out. I need constructive help. Currently I'm spending my time doing low/null sec Radar sites. Thanks for your help!
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#2 - 2012-09-28 21:46:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarn Kugisa
I used a dual rep myrmidon to great effect in a C3
The trick is to use autocannons and have enough buffer to kill the rats
IIRC There were no battleships, so I think it was a C2

Warp in>Fight until capped out>Return>Kill everything>Salvage>GTFO


Here's the fit as close as I can remember

[Myrmidon, Dual Rep Sleepers]
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Prototype Energized Explosive Membrane I
Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager II
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M

Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Salvage Tackle I


Hammerhead II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x10

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Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt
TOPMOE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-09-28 21:51:01 UTC
Any chance you can post that fit? Did you use Drones for extra DPS? I know they die very fast to Sleepers. Also, did you have trouble hitting the Sleeper frigates with the autocannons? I'm hoping to use my blasters...
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#4 - 2012-09-28 21:53:30 UTC
TOPMOE wrote:
Any chance you can post that fit? Did you use Drones for extra DPS? I know they die very fast to Sleepers. Also, did you have trouble hitting the Sleeper frigates with the autocannons? I'm hoping to use my blasters...


What I did was get as close as possible and orbit the sleepers. Even the frigates are tough bastards. The trick is to be able to retract your drones should they be attacked.

I remember I didn't make too much profit, but it was enough to be able to replace most of my ship.
I'd recommend bringing a friend with you. Sleepers can be tough especially when you have to deal with other players AND the sleepers.

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#5 - 2012-09-29 02:14:55 UTC
Pretty much the Myrm fit and tactics listed above. ACs are key so that you have more cap to rep yourself with. Used it back in the day when WHs were first introduced. But as far as C3s went, stuck to the Radar and Mag sites - combat sites would probably be a bit too much for it.

Overall Gallente are a terrible choice for Sleepers (and soon all PvE content). You'd be much better served training over to some other race. Even with the incoming missile nerf a Drake/Tengu would still be a much better choice.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#6 - 2012-09-29 02:38:01 UTC
When I lived in a C2 one of my friend used a dual-rep rail brutix and it could do all the combat sites with no problem, not sure about the radars/mags. Just aim for cap-stable, and I think that will even leave you room for a web with good skills, but still follow whats said above, don't send your drones far from your ship because sleeper frigs can target very fast and have insanely powerful webs, which makes it very hard to recall them. If I'm not mistaken he used 5 Meds and those were fine on frigs as well.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-09-29 02:58:58 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
I used a dual rep myrmidon to great effect in a C3
The trick is to use autocannons and have enough buffer to kill the rats
IIRC There were no battleships, so I think it was a C2



C2 sites have battleships.

Basic bottom line is gallente is not the best for WH PVE. PVP however is another matter.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2012-09-29 10:06:50 UTC
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
Pretty much the Myrm fit and tactics listed above. ACs are key so that you have more cap to rep yourself with. Used it back in the day when WHs were first introduced. But as far as C3s went, stuck to the Radar and Mag sites - combat sites would probably be a bit too much for it.


If you don't have clue, don't post. Simple, huh?

Mags and Radars are the hardest sites in wormholes.

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Overall Gallente are a terrible choice for Sleepers (and soon all PvE content). You'd be much better served training over to some other race. Even with the incoming missile nerf a Drake/Tengu would still be a much better choice.


I've never used anything but Gallente in wormholes, soloing C1-2 sites in a Myrm, and now clearing C3s in small gangs or pairs based on RR sentry Domis. Which **** all over any other T1 ship in tank, dps, range and as an added bonus can nurse a number of armor BCs that can be fit for dps. Ogre Proteus soloes C3s with ease.

Lol @ sleepers eating drones.

Just lol.

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Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#9 - 2012-09-29 17:09:49 UTC
I second that on the sentry Dominix. When I was just starting out in w-space before I got my Loki, we did day trips to class 3 systems and used a sentry domi and a sentry typhoon with an RR pair setup. It was a very weird setup. We had active self rep and RR on both ships, so whoever was primaried would activate local rep while the partner would active remote rep. Anyways, the Dominix completely tore through everything cruiser sized and up, while the typhoon used it's missiles to help deal with the smaller frigates. Generally, medium drones weren't all that useful. We switched between sentries and warriors depending on the size of the ship we were using.

Despite what you may have heard, drone ships work just fine in class 3 and down. You just have to pay attention. Don't use mediums or heavies cause they melt fest. Use either lights, or sentries. I make an exception for the myrm because it can keep up with mediums which allows it to recall quickly, but you don't want to use mediums in a domi. Just pay attention and go back and repair your drones after every 2-3 sites. You do it right, you might lose a single drone on each site due to carelessness/laziness, but you can go 10-20 sites without a single drone loss if you're on top of things.

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Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#10 - 2012-09-29 18:40:27 UTC
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
Overall Gallente are a terrible choice for Sleepers (and soon all PvE content). You'd be much better served training over to some other race. Even with the incoming missile nerf a Drake/Tengu would still be a much better choice.

Non-sentries have always been crap for PvE, soon only more so. Sentries shouldn't care too much.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-09-29 20:41:08 UTC
This works fine in a c2, drone aggro is very uncommon and it can survive neuts like forever.

[Myrmidon, c2]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hammerhead II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#12 - 2012-09-29 22:10:34 UTC
Sleepers don't take nearly the dislike to drones that people claim they do. Yes, you'll lose drones... but not that often. Maybe a drone every few sites if you're unlucky? More likely a drone every couple days.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
TOPMOE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-01 00:00:17 UTC
Thanks for the advice guys. I think I'll do some more L4 missions while I train up my Sentry Skills and get my Battlecruiser up to snuff. Seems like everyone is loading up Autocannons on their Myrms? Medium Blasters take too much cap?
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#14 - 2012-10-01 04:26:32 UTC
it's not that much cap, but range and lower fitting requirements, also myrm doesn't have bonus to hybrid guns.