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T3 Offgrid Boosters ECCM'd still un-probable
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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#1 - 2012-09-29 16:10:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Tried to probe down a T3 Loki offgrid combat boosting with an L5 Cheetah with L5 Scan Strength, with Sisters Faction, With SIsters Probes, with 10% implant.

Couldn't get it past 94.03%.

The only thing left that I could do is put down 5B for a Sisters Scan Strength Implant Set to have a better chance at this, but it's pretty absurd that it has to come down to that to even have a CHANCE at probing down a T3, and even then still can't be sure that it is probable.

Please nerf the damn T3 ECCM issue again, I want to kill Offgrid Combat Boosting Loki!!!

Pirate

Where I am.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-09-29 16:42:36 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Tried to probe down a T3 Loki offgrid combat boosting with an L5 Cheetah with L5 Scan Strength, with Sisters Faction, With SIsters Probes, with 10% implant.

Couldn't get it past 94.03%.

The only thing left that I could do is put down 5B for a Sisters Scan Strength Implant Set to have a better chance at this, but it's pretty absurd that it has to come down to that to even have a CHANCE at probing down a T3, and even then still can't be sure that it is probable.

Please nerf the damn T3 ECCM issue again, I want to kill Offgrid Combat Boosting Loki!!!

Pirate




No, the unique and real solution is to definitively and decisively KILL OGB other than industrial boosts (mining related ONLY)

brb
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#3 - 2012-09-29 17:34:42 UTC
Maybe you were just having an off-day, or maybe he was moving. The later is almost unlikely, but it could be possible as from what I understand, others suggest it isn't hard at all to scan them down.

That being said, maybe he or she was using extra precautions. Not sure, but thoughts are: Boosters, Implants, or other things that might help to further reduce his chance of being scanned down.
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Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-09-29 18:22:12 UTC
If you have maxed probing skills and the 10% hardwiring, you only need a partial virtue set to get a 100% hit on an "unprobeable" ship - you only need to spend a few hundred mill. Also, a full virtue set is ~2b at current prices, not 5.
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
#5 - 2012-09-29 19:23:18 UTC
They should make off-grid-boosters scannable with an unbonused ship without implants and perfect skills.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-09-30 12:35:40 UTC
Sheynan wrote:
They should make off-grid-boosters scannable with an unbonused ship without implants and perfect skills.


I'm ok with extreme hard scanning down ships, what I'm totally against OGB because there's no reason for it and for the greater good of this game.
A couple of things in this game put together just make it so anyone with some alts and a lot of isk can be almost invulnerable vs the small gang of 8 10 man with logistics, probably kill most of them if not all without logistics and still manage to gtfo.

Removing OGB from the game is a very good thing, democratise at some point pirate implants would be much better because the market would love it, players would love it and there are already so many thousands of players farming those it's just insane to see pirate implants at equivalent value in isk of several years of sub (this is beyond ridiculous).
Generalise combat boosters and reduce side effects chance, make it cheaper to produce while still requiring specialised high level skills to produce those and so preserve dedicated characters benefits from said dedication.

brb
Recoil IV
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-09-30 12:39:39 UTC
Sheynan wrote:
They should make off-grid-boosters scannable with an unbonused ship without implants and perfect skills.





aswell as covert ops,cloacky recons and so on.they are all hard to scan.and no.i am against killing ogb.
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-30 23:33:46 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Tried to probe down a T3 Loki offgrid combat boosting with an L5 Cheetah with L5 Scan Strength, with Sisters Faction, With SIsters Probes, with 10% implant.

Couldn't get it past 94.03%.

The only thing left that I could do is put down 5B for a Sisters Scan Strength Implant Set to have a better chance at this, but it's pretty absurd that it has to come down to that to even have a CHANCE at probing down a T3, and even then still can't be sure that it is probable.

Please nerf the damn T3 ECCM issue again, I want to kill Offgrid Combat Boosting Loki!!!

Pirate




No, the unique and real solution is to definitively and decisively KILL OGB other than industrial boosts (mining related ONLY)


Because miners shouldn't have to risk anything ever right? If they kick offgrid boosting in the teeth, they'd damn well better make you put your bloody Rorqual in a belt as well.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#9 - 2012-10-01 00:42:47 UTC
Offgrid boosting needs to go.

Your probing skills need to improve. You are clearly bad.

Nothing to see in this thread.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-10-01 02:21:15 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Tried to probe down a T3 Loki offgrid combat boosting with an L5 Cheetah with L5 Scan Strength, with Sisters Faction, With SIsters Probes, with 10% implant.

Couldn't get it past 94.03%.

The only thing left that I could do is put down 5B for a Sisters Scan Strength Implant Set to have a better chance at this, but it's pretty absurd that it has to come down to that to even have a CHANCE at probing down a T3, and even then still can't be sure that it is probable.

Please nerf the damn T3 ECCM issue again, I want to kill Offgrid Combat Boosting Loki!!!

Pirate




No, the unique and real solution is to definitively and decisively KILL OGB other than industrial boosts (mining related ONLY)


Because miners shouldn't have to risk anything ever right? If they kick offgrid boosting in the teeth, they'd damn well better make you put your bloody Rorqual in a belt as well.


yes, lets make an already mostly useless ship even less used.
Powers Sa
#11 - 2012-10-01 03:04:07 UTC
You can still catch these with virtues and a perfectly skilled probers. Sorry, but you are wrong OP, I've probed down 2eccm + backup array lokis and tengus.

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#12 - 2012-10-01 03:14:25 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
You can still catch these with virtues and a perfectly skilled probers. Sorry, but you are wrong OP, I've probed down 2eccm + backup array lokis and tengus.



Virtue Implants = 2B to hunt down an offgrid booster.

lol.

Ya, whatever.

Where I am.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2012-10-01 06:58:21 UTC
I'm generally against just removing OGBs, but they should be scannable without the Virtues. This already would reduce their use in everyday PVP, and also provide gameplay to scouts. Giving a counter > simple nerfing.



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Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#14 - 2012-10-01 07:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Nestara Aldent
Bloodpetal wrote:
Tried to probe down a T3 Loki offgrid combat boosting with an L5 Cheetah with L5 Scan Strength, with Sisters Faction, With SIsters Probes, with 10% implant.

Couldn't get it past 94.03%.

The only thing left that I could do is put down 5B for a Sisters Scan Strength Implant Set to have a better chance at this, but it's pretty absurd that it has to come down to that to even have a CHANCE at probing down a T3, and even then still can't be sure that it is probable.

Please nerf the damn T3 ECCM issue again, I want to kill Offgrid Combat Boosting Loki!!!

Pirate



[Loki, unprobeable]
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Command Processor I
Command Processor I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I

Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II
[empty high slot]


Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

sensor strength 166 sig 130m ratio sensor strength vs sig ~ 1.2769
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-10-01 11:40:24 UTC  |  Edited by: TheSkeptic
Sheynan wrote:
They should make off-grid-boosters scannable with an unbonused ship without implants and perfect skills.


Better yet they should appear on the overview as a beacon like cynos

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Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-10-01 13:23:30 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Powers Sa wrote:
You can still catch these with virtues and a perfectly skilled probers. Sorry, but you are wrong OP, I've probed down 2eccm + backup array lokis and tengus.



Virtue Implants = 2B to hunt down an offgrid booster.

lol.

Ya, whatever.


You don't need the full set - the cost for a minimally sufficient clone is around 500m assuming you have proper skills. They also pay themselves off surprisingly quickly since linkships are often loaded with faction co-processors that cost ~100m apiece. 500m of implants to probe down a 500m+ ship doesn't seem unreasonable.
Geoscape
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-10-01 13:27:54 UTC
A couple months ago I made a handy spreadsheet when i tested various probe formations and implant combinations.

If you have 8 probes and perfect skills you can get away with just the AR-810+Virtue Beta+Virtue Delta.
However, it does need almost perfect probe placement, which does take some time to do.
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#18 - 2012-10-01 15:38:07 UTC
Geoscape wrote:
A couple months ago I made a handy spreadsheet when i tested various probe formations and implant combinations.

If you have 8 probes and perfect skills you can get away with just the AR-810+Virtue Beta+Virtue Delta.
However, it does need almost perfect probe placement, which does take some time to do.


And if enemy booster have HG Halos? And fit I posted above? HG Halos will lessen the sig of that fitting above to 103m.

With HG halos its 166 sensor strength vs 103m sig ~ 1.611 ratio
With HG jackals its 291 sensor strength vs 130m sig ~ 2.238 ratio, even more!

Will LG virtues and scanning implants help in these cases, versus my fit?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-10-01 16:02:15 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
No, the unique and real solution is to definitively and decisively KILL OGB other than industrial boosts (mining related ONLY)

While I agree in principle, it's hard and impractical, especially for small gangs, to all always be on grid at the same time. It would make much more sense if we allowed OGB, but activating warfare links blooms signature radius by say 200%. One link active shouldn't be a terribly huge deal, but three or more links active will bloom it over what having a microwarpdrive active would do.

In addition, disallow warfare link boosting from within POS shields.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#20 - 2012-10-01 16:27:02 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
No, the unique and real solution is to definitively and decisively KILL OGB other than industrial boosts (mining related ONLY)

While I agree in principle, it's hard and impractical, especially for small gangs, to all always be on grid at the same time. It would make much more sense if we allowed OGB, but activating warfare links blooms signature radius by say 200%. One link active shouldn't be a terribly huge deal, but three or more links active will bloom it over what having a microwarpdrive active would do.

In addition, disallow warfare link boosting from within POS shields.


You get +1 for that post, sir.
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