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Yet another Cloaking thread.... again
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The Mach
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-09-30 22:02:24 UTC
It seems that the general consensus is that:
AFK cloaking = bad
System cloak camping = ok

I'd agree, I would say the problem is very similar to bot mining (afk mining) and RMT farmers.

There's a million "fixes" to the issue, and if you search the forums you will find them in all their glory, some good some bad, some that are gloriously simple. Eve is known for having "a counter for everything" and there is no counter for an AFK cloaker.

My question is that why did it not make the winter expansion? It's a pretty big issue and hasn't eve been addressed by CCP?



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Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#2 - 2012-09-30 22:29:57 UTC
Well AFK cloaker can't be a threat, because he's... AFK. If he's a threat, he's obviously not AFK. Pick one.

NEXT!
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2012-09-30 23:34:16 UTC
The Mach wrote:
Eve is known for having "a counter for everything" and there is no counter for an AFK cloaker.

Yes there is. It is the ships themselves.
All of the cloaking capable ships are extremely weak in direct combat and, as a result, have a narrow band of targets they can possibly engage and live against.

The Mach wrote:

My question is that why did it not make the winter expansion? It's a pretty big issue and hasn't eve been addressed by CCP?

There was a Q&A thread quite awhile back. CCP acknowledged AFK-cloaking as a problem but also stated that they "didn't have a solution for it"... probably because it is a symptom of a much larger problem and a counter to another tactic that currently "has no counter."

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-10-01 00:31:07 UTC
How was it put, find a wat to counter afk cloaking without hurting active cloakers and wormhole corps.

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Oraac Ensor
#5 - 2012-10-01 01:00:48 UTC
The Mach wrote:
It seems that the general consensus is that:
AFK cloaking = bad

No it doesn't. Just the opposite, in fact, judging by the amount of flak directed at comments of that sort in the past.
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-10-01 02:02:32 UTC
Why is it necessary to change the game to "fix" afk cloaking when people could just as easily prevent themselves dying to cloakers by operating on the assumption that hostiles in their system are not afk?
Powers Sa
#7 - 2012-10-01 03:05:48 UTC
The Mach wrote:
It seems that the general consensus is that:
AFK cloaking = bad
System cloak camping = ok

I'd agree, I would say the problem is very similar to bot mining (afk mining) and RMT farmers.

There's a million "fixes" to the issue, and if you search the forums you will find them in all their glory, some good some bad, some that are gloriously simple. Eve is known for having "a counter for everything" and there is no counter for an AFK cloaker.

My question is that why did it not make the winter expansion? It's a pretty big issue and hasn't eve been addressed by CCP?



Insightful posts only, (lol that'll happen)

Just assume that all cloakers are not AFK and you will live.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#8 - 2012-10-01 05:23:07 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
Just assume that all cloakers are not AFK and you will live.

That's a precursor to whining, because it's so damn inconvenient to do that.

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Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#9 - 2012-10-01 07:28:17 UTC
Easy fix, remove local. Then you don't know someone is there and you'll stop worrying. As others have said, if he' cloaked he can't kill you.

HTFU
Esker Sheep
Solos Nexus
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2012-10-01 08:55:40 UTC
The Mach wrote:
AFK cloaking = bad
System cloak camping = ok


How do you know that someone is AFK?

They could have a cloaky alt in system as a scout whilst they do stuff with their main. Does this make them AFK?

As others have said, you have nothing to fear from an AFK cloaky ship. You only need to fear an active cloaky ship. Just assume that the cloaky is active and has a point and cyno then take appropriate precautions.

The only thing that should be impacted by an AFK cloaky is bots that look for a red in local and stop their activity. So, in a sense, allowing AFK cloaking is helping to fight bots.
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-10-01 11:34:01 UTC
The Mach wrote:
It seems that the general consensus is that:
AFK cloaking = bad


Pretty sure the general consensus is
Cloaking = working as intended

The Mach wrote:
Eve is known for having "a counter for everything" and there is no counter for an AFK cloaker.

Yes there is... it's called 'bait'

The Mach wrote:

My question is that why did it not make the winter expansion? It's a pretty big issue and hasn't eve been addressed by CCP?


Because there was nothing to fix.

The Mach wrote:

Insightful posts only, (lol that'll happen)


If only you started with one :(

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#12 - 2012-10-01 12:32:33 UTC
Nestara Aldent wrote:
Well AFK cloaker can't be a threat, because he's... AFK. If he's a threat, he's obviously not AFK. Pick one.

NEXT!


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Hrothgar Nilsson
#13 - 2012-10-01 13:31:20 UTC
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#14 - 2012-10-01 14:29:28 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:
Why is it necessary to change the game to "fix" afk cloaking when people could just as easily prevent themselves dying to cloakers by operating on the assumption that hostiles in their system are not afk?

THIS!

Quit assuming you have a license to operate without being hunted or harassed by hostile forces.
Take countermeasures at all times, and if noone is there for a few minutes, it is because they are one system out prepping to attack.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#15 - 2012-10-01 14:31:41 UTC
anybody who is afk for longer then 10minutes should be banned for three month since he did not pay attention to the important spaceship game

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#16 - 2012-10-01 16:28:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarn Kugisa
It's called a standing fleet
for some reason people don't like to form standing fleets

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Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-10-01 19:15:59 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
It's called a standing fleet
for some reason people don't like to form standing fleets


What do you mean it's better to have friends and work with others in an MMO? This is some bull. CCP refund my six years of sub fees I don't wanna make friends.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-10-01 19:55:09 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:
Why is it necessary to change the game to "fix" afk cloaking when people could just as easily prevent themselves dying to cloakers by operating on the assumption that hostiles in their system are not afk?

STOP MAKING SENSE D:

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Furry Commander
Furry Armada
#19 - 2012-10-01 22:34:06 UTC
I have read so many of these threads and even though i am mostly a care bear i say cloakies don't need a fix so much, although if they are on grid with you it would be nice to have a chance to decloak them more easily (ie prevent them from running through gate camps quite as easily, but just a teeny bit) i rather think i like the idea of nerfing local. you won't know they are there, but they won't necessarily know you are there. if they are afk then its no big deal, and if they are hunting you, the Dscanner should be able to autoupdate. so i say nerf local and make the dscanner a little less of a pain to constantly need to push buttan