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Official Protest - Mittani should be removed from CSM - *** UPDATED RESPONSE POSTED ***

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#261 - 2011-10-17 05:38:47 UTC
Trainwreck McGee wrote:
I am killin an ice miner everytime someone QQ's about Goons

Seriously who ******* cares if Goons are killing ice bots and ice zombies?

The ice zombies care.

More to the point, why do YOU care if a player decides to be an ice zombie anyway? Wtf does that have to do with you?

You payin' his subs or what?

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#262 - 2011-10-17 05:40:25 UTC
Don't look now, but looks like the "remove mittani from CSM" thread is about to reach "AFK Cloaking" thread proportions..

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#263 - 2011-10-17 05:41:08 UTC
seriously though, this is what you get with a 8+ year old game with no fundamental limits to how powerful an individual or corp can get.

that's how it works, that's eve
if you were here then and were still here now I'd bet you would be singing another tune, because you would be one of the power elite


oh, and...
sandbox this and sandbox that
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#264 - 2011-10-17 05:42:47 UTC
I am so excited i am going for an afternoon coffee... flat white this time since the Latte this morning invoked all this goodness!

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#265 - 2011-10-17 05:47:14 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Don't look now, but looks like the "remove mittani from CSM" thread is about to reach "AFK Cloaking" thread proportions..

These topics don't start and live by themselves. There is, from what I can see, a true sense of rage starting to be shown here and it needs to be recognised for what it is - and more importanly why.

Every topic comes back to the same conclusions. G&&ns are ******* the game, in whatever method, and people have had enough.

Even if you took some the kissGoon commentary into account (as serious commentary), CCP must surely see that the player base is starting to get a mite pissed off with it all.

They can allow the status quo at their peril I say....

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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#266 - 2011-10-17 05:49:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Comrade Commizzar
The Mittani wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
The Mittens is a Counter-Revolutionary... Pseudo-Socialist of Stalinist bent. If his own followers were aware of the massive resource thefts he has committed against his own they would execute him themselves out of hand.

He is, and the Goons are by being his co-conspiritors, ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE OF EVE and should be attacked as such at every opportunity. They have conspired at every level of the game to destroy the collective interests of the Proletariat of Eve and deny them their natural rights of access to ZeroSec. He has posed as a false "liberator" of the Community while all the time USING the goodwill and services of his misguided and brainwashed followers for purposes of his own private gain. In this he is guilty of the highest form of Theft, that of Willful Conversion of Labor and Time.

Any self respecting Pod Pilot of Eve who recognizes these facts can do nothing but hold the Mitanni in the highest contempt and cooperate with the other responsible members of the Eve Collective Community to bring him to Justice.


Pay no attention to this kulak and his revisionist line; the People's Soviets of Goonswarm have a free and open accounting of their finances, and our socialist science has brough about the closest realization of socialism ever seen in EVE.

What this false ideologue sees as 'oppression' is simply the free men and women of Goonswarm bringing about the inevitable permanent revolution to the calcified structures of hisec, a land of capitalists who care only for isk, seeking profit even at the expense of their fellow man. We seek to free them from their consumerist slumber through revolution, re-education, and dropping Brutixes on their barges over and over and over again.


You are fooling nobody with your fake accounting Mittani and as more and more of the pilots of Eve realize the true nature of your treachery, you and your ilk will inevitably be purged from the scene. A cursory reading of the forums of late seems to indicate that your days of deceit will soon be over. Forward the Revolution !

P.S. Who you gonna trust? The dark shady imaged Mittani? or me... with my perfect hair and sunlit gaze... (See avatars)
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#267 - 2011-10-17 05:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Holy shizznat, people!

This Ice Miner Goonicide that's been happening ... it's been happening for a little over a week. Christ. That's not that long at all. You'd think from the bitching, it's been going on for months and months.

These are Goons we're talking about. They get bored of **** and move on. Easily.

If through some miracle, they can sustain this for even four weeks, then start bitching. But until then, gank back or something. Or get together and hire Pandemic Legion to attack Deklein, force them to return home.

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If The Mittani was abusing his position, I'm sure he'd be sitting in the Douchebag Box alongside Darius III.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#268 - 2011-10-17 05:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
Morganta wrote:
seriously though, this is what you get with a 8+ year old game with no fundamental limits to how powerful an individual or corp can get.

that's how it works, that's eve
if you were here then and were still here now I'd bet you would be singing another tune, because you would be one of the power elite


oh, and...
sandbox this and sandbox that

Yet another "this is Eve" commentary supporting the very people seeking to change the game while calling anyone else looking to change the status quo as a whiner, carebear, pubbie or whatever where it doesn't suit YOU.

What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox"....

It's all hypocritical BS.

EDIT: And besides, no-one is busting the G^^ns balls for being big and succssful, it's the use of that "bigness" to smash little guys into the ground.

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2011-10-17 05:59:15 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox"....
Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec?
L Salander
All Web Investigations
#270 - 2011-10-17 06:01:34 UTC
Who in their right mind unquestioningly trusts the CSM?
The Apostle
Doomheim
#271 - 2011-10-17 06:04:36 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox"....
Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec?

What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly.

But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it Shocked

And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip.

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Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#272 - 2011-10-17 06:12:15 UTC
"What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even."

High sec will be such a yawnfest that all this would do is make the jump to low sec or 0.0 look even more horrifying to those without a corp backing / training them. Seriously, there are 4 yr old mission runners in high sec that think lowsec gates make your ship asplode.

"I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip."

That's an Australian idea derived from the British idea of fair play. Both lovely ideas from places where 'kick the weak' is the reality. Good real-life values would suck all the adventure out of eve.

Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#273 - 2011-10-17 06:13:31 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox"....
Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec?

What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly.

But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it Shocked

And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip.



You make it sound like this is anything to do with the CSM. The CSM has had nothing to do with the ice campaign.

Let's assume that the CSM had 3 "hi-sec" representatives; what would be different about the ice campaign?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#274 - 2011-10-17 06:14:14 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox"....
Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec?

What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly.

But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it Shocked

And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip.


Because it started to sound vaguely hypocritical?

It is already an non-issue as it is still game mechanics within the sandbox, even if a player staying in hi-sec would get a seat on the CSM, the individual would be up against some pretty vocal voices about it.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Cyaxares II
Vectigalia Inc
#275 - 2011-10-17 06:15:28 UTC
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
The Mittens is a Counter-Revolutionary... Pseudo-Socialist of Stalinist bent. If his own followers were aware of the massive resource thefts he has committed against his own they would execute him themselves out of hand.

Trotskist detected.
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#276 - 2011-10-17 06:18:16 UTC
Cyaxares II wrote:
Comrade Commizzar wrote:
The Mittens is a Counter-Revolutionary... Pseudo-Socialist of Stalinist bent. If his own followers were aware of the massive resource thefts he has committed against his own they would execute him themselves out of hand.

Trotskist detected.


Maoist actually. ; )
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#277 - 2011-10-17 06:18:37 UTC
Hey if Goonies can help push the notion that an alternative to ice mining is needed, i am all for it.

Personally if it was done in PI, then it would be better.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#278 - 2011-10-17 06:22:08 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
What if I say let's make suicide ganking outlawed in highsec. Make it bannable even. Would it get support? Nope. "This is Eve man, It's a sandbox"....
Were you being facetious? Or do you actually support banning/eliminating suicide ganking from highsec?

What does it matter? Until either CCP realises what's happening or a highseccer can get into the CSM, it's a "non-issue" accordingly.

But, there a few rumours about making Concord AI smarter. Can only be one reason for that..... Way overdue. There, I said it Shocked

And I'm not even a carebear... I just like seeing small guys get a fair crack of the whip.


You make it sound like this is anything to do with the CSM. The CSM has had nothing to do with the ice campaign.

Let's assume that the CSM had 3 "hi-sec" representatives; what would be different about the ice campaign?

What if, just what if, the CSM were highly represented by highseccers? You think the rules on ganking would remain the same?

Really?

Half the justification for highsec ganking is idealogical BS.... Take out cheap targets and half the wannabe warriors would have to actually fight to get a kill. Can't have that 'ey?

Cowards all.

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#279 - 2011-10-17 06:22:40 UTC
Eve cannot exist without Chaos, you have to at least admit to that, Apostle ?
All personal feelings aside, what the Goons are doing is causing chaos.
Without chaos, anything, any system will stagnate.

Look at what this chaos is causing :

  • It has raised awereness among players regarding the dangers in Eve. This in turn is slowly (perhaps too slowly) creating a backlash by Highsec players in the form of plans to counteract the suicide ganking.

  • It has made what should be a difficult to obtain resource a bit more dangerous to harvest. This has forced some miners to hire help. This in itself is a very good stimulation of game dynamics.

  • People who would otherwise not post in these forums are suddenly becoming more aware of the events taking place ingame and they too are becoming more active in these forums. Another good thing to happen to Eve.

  • The question of ship insurance and the way it currently works has been aired once again. I'm confident that CCP will do something to fix this, although I would be against any changes to Concord itself. I am for the concept of suicide gank = no ship insurance. It will not prevent suicide ganking, but it will cause such players to pause briefly and think a little harder on what loses they can sustain.

  • It has made many players much more aware (me included), of the politics and the dynamic forces in this game. There are the obvious camps of "I like" and "I do not like" and the glaring hatred by some of Goonswarm. How can this not be a good thing ? It has certainly made me more alert to my surroundings.

  • There is a constant effort by the same group of people to trash-talk the members of the CSM, The Mittani in particular. Can you not look beyond your personal beliefs and feelings and look at the facts ? Eve would be a poorer place if The Mittani and the rest of the CSM did not protest to CCP the recent Incarna fiasco. Consider they are bound by the NDA and are (and where) chomping at the bit to get information out of CCP in a timeous fashion.


I can think of several more good points and very few bad points, but that puts me in danger of making this wall of text even bigger.

Needless to say, keep up your complaints, for or against. It is what makes Eve the fascinating game it is.

To The Mittani in particular - the chairman of the CSM

You know there are other areas of space in Eve which require attention in the same manner Highsec has been receiving your love. Don't be biased to just Highsec Empire space. Just take one look at the Sov map, you know what I'm speaking of. This current campaign is a tiny drop in the ocean of Space - there are far bigger fish to fry and I suspect that is your endgame. This campaign is the first domino in your grand plan. Will you be posting the particulars for that, or do you deem it a secret to keep your real enemies in the dark ?

Peace out.

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Goddess Ishtar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#280 - 2011-10-17 06:22:49 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Every topic comes back to the same conclusions. G&&ns are ******* the game, in whatever method, and people have had enough.

There are way more people cheering us on than there are calling for us to be banned. We do it for the fans.