Player Features and Ideas Discussion

bc's are meant to be close range so why would they give it a missile velocity bonus?
Tier3's do all the sniping we need otherwise look at the cerb or caracal/ raven for missile sniping .. as much as missiles can snipe anyway

Well, it certainly will be interesting when they get to BCs. As for the not two resist bonused Caldari BCs, couldn't the same be said for not having two range bonused Caldari BCs?

One of Fozzie's followup posts hinted that the resist bonus on the Drake is not necessarily on the chopping block (even as nebulous as that chopping block is atm since they are still working on frigs and cruisers atm).

A mini Abaddon out of the Harby is a possibility. But it could just as easily be a mini Apoc/Abaddon (optimal and damage bonus) and the prophecy with drone damage and resist bonus. Loads of possibilities exist for all the races. Regardless I sure hope they manage to make the Gallente ships somehow relevant. And anyway, the BCs will not be getting the overall buffing that frigs and cruisers are getting. In fact I would argue they will still need some overall nerfing so as to not once again negate the combat cruisers and continue the training rush to BC.

You see this is why the Drake had to be nerfed (even if only indirectly through HMs) because all these supposed knowledgable Drake pilots posting their butthurt here couldn't even fathom how to construct a 100km + range one. They have got to be the most unimaginitive lot in the game. They've never had range considerations forced on them, or tradeoff considerations in general for that matter, and now they will. They will have to learn to be creative with fittings and sacrificing things they formerly couldn't see past like the brick tank or whatever, in order to make the ship perform in a specific desired way.

And the sad thing is even with these changes it will still be probably best in class by virtue of the resist bonus. But I'm going to dance the day that the ridiculous BC shield regen stat gets altered, even though that will only affect pve. The damn things have been imbalanced from the getgo. It has led a charmed life, while the Myrm's op'd original 125m3 bandwidth was overnerfed at warp speed.

Oh and someone's bound to say but but the regen time was already increased to 1400 from 1250. Yeah but at the same time it got purger rigs which essentially restored the regen tank to what it was. The regen on a BS is 2500, and a Cruiser 1250. Meanwhile the shield hp of a BC is much closer to a BS's than a Cruisers. So even if the regen was placed squarely between a BS and a Cruiser at 1875 it would still regen faster than the other two ships due to having the hp skewed toward a BS's. I doubt it will get nerfed to 1875, but there's plenty of room between 1400 and 1875.

Drake/Tengu/HML addicts have ever only needed these three things to just about everything in this game, and usually quite well and even easier than any other race or class of ships. That is being taken away. Adjust fellas. There are plenty of aspects to this game you will have to discover the same way people who haven't followed the easy route have been doing for years. Yeah, I know what I'm talking about because I built an empire alt specifically into that easy route myself. I'll be looking forward to a Nighthawk buff on that character, but I've also trained it into Gallente ships for the Domi since every character in this game should have two races trained. And on the off-chance that CCP finally fiures out how to fix Gallente "soon."

lol your assumeing a nighthawk buff but all itll most likely be is 5% dmg with a flight time bonus so wont actualy buff anything maybe get an extra low if were lucky but thats it.

Oh and here's a fun eft exercize for Drake addicts. Try getting a mwd, 7 heavy beam II, and an 800 plate onto the current Harbinger and having it even with falloff touching 100km. Since one of the recent posts I read did not seem to understand the grid penalty cost of range rigs for guns, and seemed to think the 80% range bonus with tech II ammo was all that. Also, try giving it some tank, and oh note your dps at that range. Have fun.

Now, wasnt it an almost pure winmatar fleet that won?

Listed range is 115, and I most certainly have hit targets from 100 with it.

Yes, it was Minmatar rush setup.

But you can't say ASBs didn't have anything to do with it. Sleipnirs with ASBs...