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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#1 - 2012-09-30 11:55:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
I would love to see these be modeled to some extent on the offensive recons/ewar cruisers and Assault frigs.
With a role bonus for mwd sig rad like inties have so 75% , Buff their EHP a lot,
reduce their sig radius to low 30's
More slots to play with at least 11 slots for drone ones and 12 for rest. Better cap and fitting.
These should all be short-mid range ships

Amarr Sentinel 3-4-4 600-950-850 HP
  • 10% drone HP and damage bonus per lv
  • 7.5% tracking disruptors effectiveness per lv
  • Buff its EHP the most since it has to use neuts close up it will need it the most
  • buff its mobility

    • Gallente Keres 2-5-4 600-775-850 HP
  • 10% drone HP and damage bonus per lv
  • 7.5% sensor damps effectiveness and reduction in cap need
  • 7.5% Warp disruptor range 10% is too high
  • buff its mobility

    • Minmatar Hyena 4-5-3 750-700-650 HP
  • missile damage bonus like bellicose
  • buff its mobility

    • Caldari Kitsune 3-6-3 800-650-650 HP
  • missile velocity bonus and small damage bonus in exchange for its EAF skills
    • [*] buff its mobility

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

    ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

    Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
    scimichar
    Deep Hole Explorers of New Eden
    #2 - 2012-09-30 17:19:31 UTC  |  Edited by: scimichar
    Harvey James wrote:

    Caldari Kitsune
  • missile velocity bonus and small damage bonus in exchange for its EAF skills
  • buff its mobility

    • If you are actually using the token missile launcher on a kitsune, you are doing it wrong. The point of the ship is to break locks, not to have dps.
    Harvey James
    The Sengoku Legacy
    #3 - 2012-09-30 17:21:18 UTC
    scimichar wrote:
    Harvey James wrote:

    Caldari Kitsune
  • missile velocity bonus and small damage bonus in exchange for its EAF skills
  • buff its mobility

    • If you are actually using the token missile launcher on a kitsune, you are doing it wrong. The point of the ship is to break locks, not to have dps.

    Atm yes for sure

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

    ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

    Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
    Sheynan
    Lighting the blight
    #4 - 2012-09-30 17:24:10 UTC
    IMO we have enough combat frigates, we don't need to shoehorn EAFs into that.

    What about a buff to their Ewar capabilites, mixed with an extra bonus to AB speed for superior mobility ?
    Harvey James
    The Sengoku Legacy
    #5 - 2012-09-30 17:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
    Sheynan wrote:
    IMO we have enough combat frigates, we don't need to shoehorn EAFs into that.

    What about a buff to their Ewar capabilites, mixed with an extra bonus to AB speed for superior mobility ?


    They haven't shown any interest in AB bonus but are giving out mwd sig rad bonus to new minnie destroyer so i would think they would do the same thing here along with base speed increase hopefully the HACS will get the mwd bonus to a greater extent.

    Also these are suggestions on how to improve upon the current ships, NOT replacement skills so the focus is still very much on there ewar ecm TP etc.
    But with 4 skills on each ship to play with and with the new ewar cruisers becoming more close range attack ships i thought why not make them able to do some decent dps too more bang for their buck if you will a reason to pay 30 odd mil to use them over the much cheaper ewar cruisers who will be able to put out some good dps.

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

    ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

    Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
    Sigras
    Conglomo
    #6 - 2012-09-30 23:17:05 UTC
    Im still in favor of giving them a 50% bonus to AB speed boost.

    They tried this with assault frigates with painfully overpowered results, but this could be a specific niche for EAFs, as they'd be basically require fleets to run with anti frigate support.

    This wouldnt make them OP because (with the exception of the sentinel) they all do like 0 DPS meaning that they wouldnt be able to kill much on their own.

    This would give you a reason to fly one of these above a T1 ewar cruiser or a recon ship; it would give them a specific role.
    Harvey James
    The Sengoku Legacy
    #7 - 2012-10-01 09:06:45 UTC
    Sigras wrote:
    Im still in favor of giving them a 50% bonus to AB speed boost.

    They tried this with assault frigates with painfully overpowered results, but this could be a specific niche for EAFs, as they'd be basically require fleets to run with anti frigate support.

    This wouldnt make them OP because (with the exception of the sentinel) they all do like 0 DPS meaning that they wouldnt be able to kill much on their own.

    This would give you a reason to fly one of these above a T1 ewar cruiser or a recon ship; it would give them a specific role.


    Well we already have ewar frigs that do no damage so it makes more sense if these get some offensive capabilities for the extra 30mil

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

    ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

    Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
    Esker Sheep
    Solos Nexus
    Pandemic Horde
    #8 - 2012-10-01 11:38:00 UTC
    Erm ... isn't there already a thread for this, as part of the winter expansion rebalance, in this forum? Do we really need another thread?
    Harvey James
    The Sengoku Legacy
    #9 - 2012-10-01 12:18:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
    Esker Sheep wrote:
    Erm ... isn't there already a thread for this, as part of the winter expansion rebalance, in this forum? Do we really need another thread?


    you're getting it mixed up with the T1 ewar frigs these are the T2 EAF's

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

    ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

    Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
    Harvey James
    The Sengoku Legacy
    #10 - 2012-10-02 16:52:40 UTC
    bump

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

    ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

    Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
    Alx Warlord
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #11 - 2012-10-02 18:36:16 UTC
    the tec2 EAFs indeed need some love now, since the T1 are much better then they....

    maybe more survivability
    maybe cloak
    maybe mwd

    or maybe some heat based electronic warfare....

    Please read these!

    New POS system New SOV system
    Bienator II
    madmen of the skies
    #12 - 2012-10-02 18:51:07 UTC
    don't touch my sentinel

    how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
    Harvey James
    The Sengoku Legacy
    #13 - 2012-10-03 14:20:15 UTC
    come on ccp when are you going to do EAF's and what are you going to do to improve them?

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

    ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

    Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
    Blodhgarm Dethahal
    8 Sins of Man
    Stray Dogs.
    #14 - 2012-10-04 16:53:32 UTC
    EHP buff for my Sentinel would be very appreciatedBig smile

    However, I do not think they deserve a Damage Bonus, they are meant for EWar support in small gangs, not a DPS supplement.

    An AB bonus would be nice, say, 10% boost per level, this would mean dropping the MWD Bonuses of the Hyena though. Maybe Change Frigate Skills to capacitor bonuses for their EWar.

    At the moment though I think EAF's are fine with the exception of of the Sentinel. All the other races can kite away from the main fight, but the Sentinel has to be in close for the Energy Neutralizers to be effective. As a result an EHP Bonus would be much welcome Big smile
    Harvey James
    The Sengoku Legacy
    #15 - 2012-10-04 18:40:42 UTC
    Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:
    EHP buff for my Sentinel would be very appreciatedBig smile

    However, I do not think they deserve a Damage Bonus, they are meant for EWar support in small gangs, not a DPS supplement.

    An AB bonus would be nice, say, 10% boost per level, this would mean dropping the MWD Bonuses of the Hyena though. Maybe Change Frigate Skills to capacitor bonuses for their EWar.

    At the moment though I think EAF's are fine with the exception of of the Sentinel. All the other races can kite away from the main fight, but the Sentinel has to be in close for the Energy Neutralizers to be effective. As a result an EHP Bonus would be much welcome Big smile



    Well they have 4 bonuses so there is plenty of space for both.
    Also there needs to be a reason to an extra 20mil over a cruiser which has better range or 30mil over the T1 ewar frig so i can't see how else they can justify the price tag and the disadvantages these have when compared to a cruiser?
    these need a specific role rather than a generic T2 increase on the e-war frigs.

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

    ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

    Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
    Harvey James
    The Sengoku Legacy
    #16 - 2012-10-06 11:55:49 UTC
    bump

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

    ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

    Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
    Harvey James
    The Sengoku Legacy
    #17 - 2012-10-07 14:03:11 UTC
    bump

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

    ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

    Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
    Harvey James
    The Sengoku Legacy
    #18 - 2012-10-10 15:56:48 UTC
    does no one else have an opinion here?

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

    ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

    Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
    Harvey James
    The Sengoku Legacy
    #19 - 2012-11-13 14:13:33 UTC
    bump

    T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

    ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

    Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
    Mole Guy
    Bob's Bait and Tackle
    #20 - 2012-11-13 20:01:24 UTC
    i love the idea of the attacl frigs. i had a kitsune, hyena and sentinnel and loved em, but they r paper thin. they can easily be out done now by cheeper ships so why shell out bux for em?

    i think they should be mini reconn. run in pairs or fleets. of course, unless they r hunting small stuff, they cant do the dps to take down anything solo, but as fleet support they would rawk.

    i would sit in a hyena right in the middle of a gate with a sebo II, 2 webs and a 24k point and insta lock/double web/point anything that came through. the kitsune would then have 1 sebo II and 1 of each racial jammer and jamm it. everything else would dps it to death. took a while, but the sentinnels would chew their cap down and the tank followed.

    highly mobile frigs are very handy, but they shouldnt be THAT paper thin. make em mini-reconns.

    that would SO kick ass!