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Paltys
Gordoe Industrial Technical Institute
#1 - 2012-09-26 07:26:15 UTC
I'm a low skill point BS pilot atm, struggling through L4's in a domi. I've made an alt recently with a clear and concise plan to go through with on skills but I can't manage to work one out with my main now. I made him a while ago and played on and off with no real plan. Currently right now drones have the majority of my skill points.

So I was wondering if any experienced players can help me decide on a good ship (with the appropriate supporting skills) would be a good idea. Proteus came to mind, but from what I know it doesn't seem like it would make any use of my drone skills. Carrier was also an idea, but having to wait 100 days for satisfying gameplay and only being able to use it in null kind of turned me off from it.

Any suggestions are welcome
Alayna Le'line
#2 - 2012-09-26 13:33:12 UTC
How exactly are you struggling? I can't say I have had any real problems in missions with a regular single LAR Dominix.

The only missions that are arguably a struggle are those with long travel times, even with an AB the Dominix is...not exactly fast.
Paltys
Gordoe Industrial Technical Institute
#3 - 2012-09-26 14:30:59 UTC
With only 4 million skill points, currently training Drone Interfacing V which is a nice boost total but only 20% additional damage to my drones realistically, I'm struggling. It's primarily DPS where I'm struggling, and when I struggle to DPS down enemies, usually my cap from armor repping struggles, but not always.
Shane Joven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-09-26 15:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Shane Joven
Unless your alt is on a different account, theirs no point in starting a new guy yet. Those 4 Million skill points you have while maby scattered, are still already trained. Your alt will have to train some of them again.

Go to this site
http://eveboard.com/

And load your character and post back here with the link so we can see where all your skills are located. From their a plan can be set to get your main back on track.

Second, a Domi is a perfect starting level 4 Battle Ship. A carrier isn't a realistic goal for 4's but drones do transition nicely to carrier usage.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#5 - 2012-09-26 17:38:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Just in case you did not realize it, you can only train one character per account at a time.

If you are struggling with Level 4 missions in a Domi than I would assume it is your support skills that need work. You should be fitting a full T2 tank with the option of a dual rep for the harder missions. Also a Domi really shines with T2 sentries, drone damage mods, and a brick tank.

At 4 mil skill points I am sure there are several holes to fill in the skills department.

At 4 mil SP you have more important skills to train than DI 5. It is one of the most bang for your buck skills, but you can train several other skills to 4 in that amount of time.

My main has over 40 mil SP and is still not a perfect Level 4 mission runner. Although he is not specialized in BS skills.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#6 - 2012-09-26 19:41:58 UTC
If you like drones work on getting a gila and then a rattlesnake.
Paltys
Gordoe Industrial Technical Institute
#7 - 2012-09-26 21:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Paltys
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Just in case you did not realize it, you can only train one character per account at a time.

If you are struggling with Level 4 missions in a Domi than I would assume it is your support skills that need work. You should be fitting a full T2 tank with the option of a dual rep for the harder missions. Also a Domi really shines with T2 sentries, drone damage mods, and a brick tank.

At 4 mil skill points I am sure there are several holes to fill in the skills department.

At 4 mil SP you have more important skills to train than DI 5. It is one of the most bang for your buck skills, but you can train several other skills to 4 in that amount of time.

My main has over 40 mil SP and is still not a perfect Level 4 mission runner. Although he is not specialized in BS skills.


This isn't about the alt or the Domi.

I'm wondering what would be satisfying to fly in both PvE (Ratting/Missions) and PvP that could include my drone skills as they are higher than anything. Just looking for ideas and suggestions, I can look up the supporting skills if they're not mentioned.


Ireland VonVicious wrote:
If you like drones work on getting a gila and then a rattlesnake.


For what?
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#8 - 2012-09-27 16:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: RavenPaine
Gila, Rattlesnake, Domi, Ishtar. Those are the 4 Drone intensive ships in EVE.

For almost any other ship, drones are a secondary DPS platform. You will need T2 guns with good support skills as a primary DPS. Or missiles, if you decide to go that route.

Evemon is a great skill plan app. Load it up and start theory crafting some goals in there.
Eve Board is the character profile site. Load that up as well.

Both of those sites are serious assets to any EVE player.

I have a feeling that your Domi is under-skilled.
Sitting in a ship is not the same as being great in that ship. Skills can be rated about the same as classroom grades. Lvl 3 skills are only a C, average at best. If you want the ship to perform like an A student, you need the A-class skills to back it up. (Skills at V)
If you train that Domi to be a 'specced' or 'perfect' Domi, the skills will transfer to many other ships you may fly later.
I'm talking about the tank skills, Drone skills, Nav, Gunnery supports, etc. BS V is a great achievement, but I suspect you have things that need training ahead of that.

Only train a second character if it is on a second account. Do not split train on one account. You will just end up with 2 half assed characters.
Eve is a long haul. Be patient, have goals and focus on them.
For instance:
A perfect skilled Vindicator pilot would be badass indeed.
Alayna Le'line
#9 - 2012-09-28 16:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alayna Le'line
Paltys wrote:
With only 4 million skill points, currently training Drone Interfacing V which is a nice boost total but only 20% additional damage to my drones realistically, I'm struggling. It's primarily DPS where I'm struggling, and when I struggle to DPS down enemies, usually my cap from armor repping struggles, but not always.


I'm running L4s with T2 sentries and Drone Interfacing IV just fine.

Your tank really should be T2:
T2 Active Hardeners (Hull Upgrades V)
T2 LAR (Repair Systems IV, Mechanics V)

Then there's cap skills, aside from the ones you really need to be able to fit the most used modules (CCCs and Cap Recharger IIs), the "Standard" capacitor certificate is a rather good guideline.

This is my mission fit (more or less, I swap things around depending on the exact mission), cap runs for a bit over 13min with the AB off and is stable with AB and guns off. This is with the core standard skills.

[Dominix, Typhon]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I

350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5
Garde II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Warden II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-09-29 11:11:46 UTC
Above fit is good, but I am going to suggest you take a step back and do lvl3's in a Myrmidon, while you skill up your tanking, fitting, gunnery and drone skills.

Seriously, when I started with lvl4's in a Dominix I didn't have sufficient skills either. A certain mission took me over 4 hours to complete (I was tanking the npc's but not doing any significant damage). In another, I had to call in help from a corp mate because I couldn't reach the battleship that orbited at 50 km. He then proceeded to blow that ship away in a few salvos. Oops

Get and install Evemon, look up the pre-requisites for the Myrm and a T2 tank, get Gunnery Support, Capacitor, CPU and Grid skills up and work from there.

As an aside: the Myrmidon is aa good pvp ship as well.
Maximillian Dragonard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-09-30 08:18:12 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Gila, Rattlesnake, Domi, Ishtar. Those are the 4 Drone intensive ships in EVE.

For almost any other ship, drones are a secondary DPS platform. You will need T2 guns with good support skills as a primary DPS. Or missiles, if you decide to go that route.

/snip

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Now now..... let's not forget about the arbitrator hullsAttention

Wut?!
Alayna Le'line
#12 - 2012-10-01 11:12:33 UTC
Maximillian Dragonard wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
Gila, Rattlesnake, Domi, Ishtar. Those are the 4 Drone intensive ships in EVE.

For almost any other ship, drones are a secondary DPS platform. You will need T2 guns with good support skills as a primary DPS. Or missiles, if you decide to go that route.

/snip

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Now now..... let's not forget about the arbitrator hullsAttention


I think he only listed the ones that are commonly used to run L4+s otherwise a few more are missing (Vexor, Myrmidon and Ishkur are the first that come to mind and ofcoure the Proteus can be turned into sort of a drone boat as well)
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-10-01 11:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Show Info on your Dominix and select the [Recommended] Tab
Open your Certificate Planner and see how far off you are those listed certificates.

They are intended mostly as guidelines, and are usually okay to follow
Certificate wise i would say you need these as minimum training completed

Armour Tanking Basic
Battleship Hybrid Turret Basic
Turret Control Basic
Drone Control Basic
Combat Drone Control Basic
Heavy Drone Control Basic

Core Competency Certificates
Core Capacitor Basic
Core Fitting Basic
Core Integrity Basic


If you have most of these at basic already (and hopefully with 4m SP you should) then focus on getting them to standard quickly, and you should find missioning easier to do.


edit.
re the rattlesnake suggestion.
Yes it has a 400m3 dronebay so the OP's droneskills have another excellent home

these are the downsides that the OP will have atm with it. (when he has already stated he has difficulties in a dominix)
it shields tanks
it fires cruise missiles
it also requires Caldari Battleship skill
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#14 - 2012-10-01 16:19:17 UTC
Alayna Le'line wrote:
Maximillian Dragonard wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
Gila, Rattlesnake, Domi, Ishtar. Those are the 4 Drone intensive ships in EVE.

For almost any other ship, drones are a secondary DPS platform. You will need T2 guns with good support skills as a primary DPS. Or missiles, if you decide to go that route.

/snip

.



Now now..... let's not forget about the arbitrator hullsAttention


I think he only listed the ones that are commonly used to run L4+s otherwise a few more are missing (Vexor, Myrmidon and Ishkur are the first that come to mind and ofcoure the Proteus can be turned into sort of a drone boat as well)



Indeed, I was thinking of lvl 4's, 5's, and plexing.
I did think of the Arbitrator hulls, but I am not familiar with any of them at all (except that they can be nasty to deal with when piloted right).