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Looking for help on highsec pvp Rokh
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Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#1 - 2012-09-30 07:59:31 UTC
Having given up ganking an piracy etc etc in general. I came up on a situation today that I could have used a pvp ship capable of taking out 3 ships an surviving. (three player corpies hunting a WT decided to flag to me)... Anyway, I have been researching this afternoon, an so far I get conflicted views on Rokh's abilities at street fighting as it were.

(I know it's a damn good sniper)

What I was trying to do was fit one as a "payback" as it were for gankers if I ever get lazy enough to lose my macks. I chose a Rokh cos of its ability to fit a hell of an EHP, but I need it to dish it out in close qtr's too. I don't have T2 blasters yet, or T2 rails as I am mostly caldari an mim trained. So not really sure what way to go.
I could T2 fit a Phoon, but it doesn't have the survivability of a Rokh I don't think.

Today's targets were 2 Thorax, + a Cane + 2 Sac's (who came later when apparently they thought I was coming back with tornado :p)...

Now I grant you no way in hell I could take 5 v 1, but as it turned out the thorax/s an cane would have been doable.

So any advice from the 0.0 crowd on a decent Rokh build cos I am stumped.
Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-09-30 08:05:44 UTC
Melodee619 wrote:
Having given up ganking an piracy etc etc in general. I came up on a situation today that I could have used a pvp ship capable of taking out 3 ships an surviving. (three player corpies hunting a WT decided to flag to me)... Anyway, I have been researching this afternoon, an so far I get conflicted views on Rokh's abilities at street fighting as it were.

(I know it's a damn good sniper)

What I was trying to do was fit one as a "payback" as it were for gankers if I ever get lazy enough to lose my macks. I chose a Rokh cos of its ability to fit a hell of an EHP, but I need it to dish it out in close qtr's too. I don't have T2 blasters yet, or T2 rails as I am mostly caldari an mim trained. So not really sure what way to go.
I could T2 fit a Phoon, but it doesn't have the survivability of a Rokh I don't think.

Today's targets were 2 Thorax, + a Cane + 2 Sac's (who came later when apparently they thought I was coming back with tornado :p)...

Now I grant you no way in hell I could take 5 v 1, but as it turned out the thorax/s an cane would have been doable.

So any advice from the 0.0 crowd on a decent Rokh build cos I am stumped.


not the 0.0 crowd, but t2 Blasters, barring that i suppose you could theoretically use autocannons, but those fits always make me die a little on the inside...

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#3 - 2012-09-30 08:09:17 UTC
yer, AC's are kinda lackluster in some ways...(no Alpha). But I guess if your not relying on the instant kills before Concord. a AC could work. an I am max trained in AC's.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2012-09-30 11:18:38 UTC
If you want to solo around, then a phoon would be significantly better than a Rokh. Especially a T2-weapon phoon vs a T1 gun Rokh.

- utility slots
- huge drone bay (this matters a lot)
- considerably faster, and also smaller

If you get a Fleet Typhoon (They're surprisingly cheap) you needn't even give up much in the way of EHP either.

Really, the drone bay is the big advantage here, because your chance of being ECM'd is pretty high. The Rokh's dinky little 50mbit/50m^3 drone bay isn't really going to help much when this happens. The navphoon can deploy 5x Ogre IIs, and still have a flight of Warrior IIs for pesky interceptors, plus a set of medium ECM drones for that GTFO moment.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-09-30 12:11:40 UTC
Navy Phoon can be a total rapist xD 900+ DPS + 3 Heavy Neuts and 100k+ EHP with web, scram, mwd and cap booster in mids. Twisted
Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#6 - 2012-09-30 23:29:18 UTC
Hmm cheers guys, you gave me something to try, I have a nice Fleet phoon fit I'll fix up today an take her out. I just assumed the Rokh's ability to max out EHP like crazy would be her deciding factor.

5x 800mm repeating AC
3x Torp launcher II's

1 Warp scram
1x 100MN MWD
2 stasis webs

1x DCU
5x 1600mm plates
2x Gyro's

1x Large Ancillery Current router I
1x Large projectile Burst Aeator I

(Drones as per choice)

So have I gone wrong here anywhere?
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#7 - 2012-10-01 00:11:42 UTC
That is going to be a slow phoon... so a long point is a good idea.

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Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#8 - 2012-10-01 00:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Melodee619
it has 800ms with MWD on... but I am having issues, I have a 1 min 40s Cap with this fit. Not good enough for pvp...I was considering buying a dead space web. but thats gonna push me up near 800 mil for a anti ganker... I also put a CCC rig in, but it had no effect.

I do have 118k hp though.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#9 - 2012-10-01 02:17:11 UTC
I love the ship but I will throw in the disclaimer that I have not flown it (Amarr / Caldari here, with Gal and Minnie getting there but not up to BS yet).

I spotted the two following fits at Battleclinic. It seems all of the fits are about 1.5 - 2min with MWD on, and cap stable with it off.

[Typhoon, PvP Typhoon: 1349dps 110k HP.]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Torpedo Launcher II
Torpedo Launcher II
Torpedo Launcher II
Torpedo Launcher II
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Ogre II
Vespa EC-600

Damage: 1200dps (1349 overloaded)
Cap: 1:46 (MWD on, 90% MWD off)
Hitpoints: 110k
Speed: 974 m/s


Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/26047-PvP-Typhoon-1349dps-110k-HP.html#ixzz280dahZau

He also has the following if you want to go full out on high slots (1 more launcher 1 less gun) 5% more dps 5% less EHP

[Typhoon, PvP 5/3]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I


Ogre II x5

Stats
dps: 1292 (1459 overloaded)
EHP: 104k HP
Speed: 974m/s
Cap: 1m 47s (all on, 90% MWD off)

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/26047-PvP-Typhoon-1349dps-110k-HP.html#ixzz280e5ARKL

And finally, the second most popular fit (by votes anyway) had missiles and and Neuts. I'm not a big fan of that particular build (no guns), but its there at the site.


He flies mainly in smaller ships now with fleet ops, but the above is what my nephew flew when he was using BS class in his corp. He swears by it, so I threw it in here, but as I said above, its purely EFT warrioring for me on this particular ship. ;)

~Z

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Mutant Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-01 04:14:05 UTC
What in the....? Use a damn Maelstrom. You can't use T2 blasters so no Rokh. EHP isn't all that is necessary to take on 3 others, usually.

[Maelstrom, Derp.]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Co-Processor II

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Put whichever drones you want to in the bay. Straight
Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#11 - 2012-10-01 04:51:10 UTC
yer I have a mael fit, an will try both. cheers
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#12 - 2012-10-01 15:21:47 UTC
Thats an aweful XLASB Mael.

You need a web, also SBA are better at boosting the XLASB tank, aslo DUDE STACKING PENALTIES.

Try this brah;

[Maelstrom, LEERRROOOYYY JEEENNNKKINNNSS]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Domination Shield Boost Amplifier
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#13 - 2012-10-01 20:01:11 UTC
Mael is slow as hell. You're likely going to want dual webs to catch anything cruiser/BC sized...otherwise it'll just burn out of range. : /

thhief ghabmoef
Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#14 - 2012-10-02 06:57:42 UTC
yer I am learning, Battleship pvp isnt as easy as it is in my trusty Purifier. I'll buy a long point soon as I can. I have both mael an Fleet phoon fitted so when I get a chance at the muppets who try to flag miners in local, I'll bring em out an see what happens.