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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#81 - 2012-09-30 04:19:02 UTC
Bart Starr wrote:
Soundwave also suggested that gate guns shoot at anyone who takes from a yellow wreck. So try to loot a wartarget or a ganked target that you killed on a gate - boom - gate gun BBQ. Its just inane.

I've been a vocal critic of CCP's recent antics, but even I have to admit that they're not that stupid.

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Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#82 - 2012-09-30 04:24:00 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Bart Starr wrote:
Soundwave also suggested that gate guns shoot at anyone who takes from a yellow wreck. So try to loot a wartarget or a ganked target that you killed on a gate - boom - gate gun BBQ. Its just inane.

I've been a vocal critic of CCP's recent antics, but even I have to admit that they're not that stupid.


I distinctly remember this coming from a dev:

Don't know what discussion or thread, but it was as clear as day....

"Suspect flag" earns gate gun aggro.

Stupid, of course. But this is coming from someone who seriously suggested:

a) suspects get sec-status penalties for defending themselves.
b) neutral reps for players engaging suspects do not get a suspect flag themselves, and are therefore under Concord protection.

Hopefully the outraged response shook a few braincells loose, but I always expect the worst.

As it is, ninja profession is going to be killed dead by the new 'safety condom' for carebears.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2012-09-30 04:25:02 UTC
ok so new shiny icons for agression, when do we get shiny icons for session change? oh and please popups when entering highsec *blush* i need to stop making that mistake.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2012-09-30 04:26:40 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
ok so new shiny icons for agression, when do we get shiny icons for session change? oh and please popups when entering highsec *blush* i need to stop making that mistake.


I been saying that for years P

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#85 - 2012-09-30 04:34:40 UTC
Bart Starr wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Bart Starr wrote:
Soundwave also suggested that gate guns shoot at anyone who takes from a yellow wreck. So try to loot a wartarget or a ganked target that you killed on a gate - boom - gate gun BBQ. Its just inane.

I've been a vocal critic of CCP's recent antics, but even I have to admit that they're not that stupid.


I distinctly remember this coming from a dev:

Don't know what discussion or thread, but it was as clear as day....

"Suspect flag" earns gate gun aggro.

Stupid, of course. But this is coming from someone who seriously suggested:

a) suspects get sec-status penalties for defending themselves.
b) neutral reps for players engaging suspects do not get a suspect flag themselves, and are therefore under Concord protection.


Yes, in fact I believe I made quite a few posts in that threanaught. The thing is, they backed away from that specific element fairly quickly. It would set a massive precedent for non-player punishment for non-criminal actions. If such a change went through, they could quickly justify (and in fact be obligated to implement) the removal of all aggression in high-sec, and make any "unfriendly" actions punishable by instant NPC spanking. They wouldn't be able to get away with this until whatever is left of the developer old guard leaves the company and/or they get bought out by Activision or something.

Bart Starr wrote:
Hopefully the outraged response shook a few braincells loose, but I always expect the worst.

As it is, ninja profession is going to be killed dead by the new 'safety condom' for carebears.

I too expect the worst. In fact, we're at this point very likely to receive the worst in all but a few forms, because even after months of argument and public outcry on our part they still haven't budged from their plans to get rid of can theft.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#86 - 2012-09-30 05:25:17 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I like how the expansion advertises crimewatch as "Finally criminality will have consequences!" that's a really great way of saying that you're officially not allowed to kill people in highsec anymore.


Hmm. that's not how I read it. I read it more like: "Griefing fun for everyone!Big smile!"

That is actually what it is. You can apparently bounty anything, anywhere. Corps, Alliances, Ship types, Characters, etc.. No regard for Security status means that a lot of players will be getting bounties from players that simply don't like them, or have been holding a grudge. I believe that's why it's called Retribution.

Should be interesting. I'm hoping I'll get to collect mine, regularly. Big smile

I'm not sure about all the details of course. Is it going to be legal to aggress a Bounty target in Highsec, for example? I suppose I could read more, and I'll probably do that, but I'm not sure it's in there, or even decided on yet.

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2012-09-30 05:29:30 UTC
Flamespar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-09-30 06:40:37 UTC
This expansions seems a bit light .. Incarna introduced more content than this one.

Here's hoping that something interesteing gets announced.

Those tattoos that we were promised would be nice to get at last.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-09-30 06:43:43 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
This expansions seems a bit light .. Incarna introduced more content than this one.

Here's hoping that something interesteing gets announced.
Except for the name they haven't really announced anything they hadn't announced already. I have a feeling the juicy juice is still to come.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#90 - 2012-09-30 07:06:59 UTC
We'll see how much of it is released on the first day and how much is held back.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Solhild
Doomheim
#91 - 2012-09-30 07:30:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Solhild
So what else are we expecting?

- ring mining(?)
- new POS
- new explosions
- system lighting effects
- new turret nozzle effects(?)
- new drone control UI in HUD

The POS stuff has the potential to be the 'big thing', maybe?

EDIT......but as the POS update is art/industrial mechanics/smallholding/avatar related, it can't be a big factor in something called, Retribution !

I think the new crimewatch stuff will be a significant improvement to the game, could be fun Smile
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2012-09-30 07:43:39 UTC
it's either moving L4s to lowsec or L5s to highsec. flip a coin, and pray
Luc Chastot
#93 - 2012-09-30 07:51:09 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
This expansions seems a bit light .. Incarna introduced more content than this one.

Here's hoping that something interesteing gets announced.

Those tattoos that we were promised would be nice to get at last.


Err, crimewatch? That's a huge change. New bounty system? That's another huge change.

Maybe you should write to CCP and tell them what you want.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Meizu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#94 - 2012-09-30 08:35:08 UTC
that bounty system, i wonder what's stopping a vet from putting 1 mil bount on all the new players in a starter system and watch the chaos, or pirates putting one on miners? if you can really put a bounty on anyone, Jita undock will be a fun place to be :-).
Iume
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-09-30 08:46:57 UTC
Well, I have read many interesting approaches to a new bounty system, but I think most of them will become exploitable sooner or later again. I don't know if this was suggested already, but here are my two cents:

- Bounty payout only on pod kills.
- Bounty payout is less than the cost of the new clone.

Simple. Loss is always greater than reward.

Comments are welcome.


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Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#96 - 2012-09-30 08:48:39 UTC
Crimewatch changes sound interesting, liked the idea of it when it was mentioned at Fanfest, hope it works out well.

As to the models. Minmatar and Amarr models? Did you sack all your concept artists? The Minmatar one looks plane bad and the Amarr one lacks any inspiration :/ Such a shame as I like the new Gallente destroyer and the Caldari one looks great!
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2012-09-30 08:53:42 UTC
You're all going to die !

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH !
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2012-09-30 08:54:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
e: Replying to Meizu Kho

If I remember, it's not just can flipping or suicide ganking rookies in starter systems that's disallowed - I think I remember a GM posting that the guideline was 'don't **** with newbies', but I could be wrong. Even if it happens the bounty can only be claimed by suicide ganking the rookie (banned) or if you have kill rights, in which case the rookie's been naughty anyway.

Putting bounties on just anyone isn't going to cause too much shenanigans. The downside to putting a bounty on some random pilot is that you just lost money putting bounty on some random pilot.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#99 - 2012-09-30 08:58:13 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

I'm sure that with these "new" features, the hordes of high-sec bears will also finally venture out into low-sec to "experiment with the pvps" since they'll be willing to buy/use pvp gear due to their now-uninterrupted and guaranteed risk-free high-sec income streams. Right?


Good. That's the way it should be.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Aethlyn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-09-30 09:02:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Aethlyn
Iume wrote:
Well, I have read many interesting approaches to a new bounty system, but I think most of them will become exploitable sooner or later again. I don't know if this was suggested already, but here are my two cents:

- Bounty payout only on pod kills.
- Bounty payout is less than the cost of the new clone.

Simple. Loss is always greater than reward.

Comments are welcome.



From my understanding this is exactly how it's going to work (except not being pod-only):

To get an assumed bounty of like 1 million, the loss mail has to be at least 1.2 million in value (as an example). This would making collecting your own bounty rather unattractive, while still allowing you to "pay" to get rid of it

Also I'm really looking forward to these changes. As for "low level" crimes I'd suggest waiting for more details. But at the same time think of civil courage in real life: people don't just watch others getting robbed. Some will try to help the victim without them going to jail (as long as it's reasonable). Is this new flagging going to be that different?

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