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Dev blog: New Eden Open $10.000 Tournament

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2012-09-29 09:34:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/evesports-evolved-death2allsupers.html

What might be the next logical step in the eveSport evolution. We already have an alliance tournament, and a cash-money team tournament. What else to help hype EVE Online? And kill some supers as well? How about a tournament to showcase nullsec combat. Replete with titans and supercarriers.

Number of Teams: 8 - 16

Players per Teams: 50 maximum

Tournament Format: Single Elimination

Entry Fee: Free (because entering supercaps is fee enough.)

Match Length: 30 minutes

Arena Size: 500 km diameter sphere.

Team Composition: 1 titan (required), 2 supercarriers (required), and up to 47 ships of any other type, built via a point-based system. All hulls are allowable.

Module Limitations: All modules (including cloaking devices,) except for cynos are allowable.

Build Points: I'm not going to go there. CCP is best suited to determine the points of the various hulls and ship types. Titans and supercarriers are required on each team, limited to a single titan and two supercarriers.

Beacons: Teams begin at a single beacon, 100 km from the sphere edge. Teams thus begin 300km from each other.

Rules: The usual. No leaving the arena. Any ships leaving the arena will be destroyed by the tournament referees.

Prize: Something worthwhile, since losing supercaps is a likely possibility. Perhaps a special tournament Titan, usable with any racial titan skill. Or a crapload of plex from the EVE Central Bank. Or perhaps seeding planets of the teams choice with technetium. Or renaming a system.
Tamonash en Welle
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2012-09-29 09:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamonash en Welle
Sportsmanship... among competitive EVE players... for real world cash...

I expect to see meta-gaming at new heights here. I does puzzle me why CCP is perfectly fine with people using underhand tactics and being dicks to get any advantage within the game, but when it comes to public stunts like this, everybody is suddenly supposed to behave nice to each other.

It is not showing off the real game at all, which I actually find a shame.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#163 - 2012-09-29 10:17:37 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/evesports-evolved-death2allsupers.html

What might be the next logical step in the eveSport evolution. We already have an alliance tournament, and a cash-money team tournament. What else to help hype EVE Online? And kills some supers as well? How about a tournament to showcase nullsec combat. Replete with a titans and supercarriers.

Number of Teams: 8 - 16

Players per Teams: 50 maximum

Tournament Format: Single Elimination

Entry Fee: Free (because entering supercaps is fee enough.)

Match Length: 30 minutes

Arena Size: 500 km diameter sphere.

Team Composition: 1 titan (required), 2 supercarriers (required), and up to 47 ships of any other type, built via a point-based system. All hulls are allowable.

Module Limitations: All modules (including cloaking devices,) except for cynos are allowable.

Build Points: I'm not going to go there. CCP is best suited to determine the points of the various hulls and ship types. Titans and supercarriers are required on each team, limited to a single titan and two supercarriers.

Beacons: Teams begin at a single beacon, 100 km from the sphere edge. Teams thus begin 300km from each other.

Rules: The usual. No leaving the arena. Any ships leaving the arena will be destroyed by the tournament referees.

Prize: Something worthwhile, since losing supercaps is a likely possibility. Perhaps a special tournament Titan, usable with any racial titan skill. Or a crapload of plex from the EVE Central Bank. Or perhaps seeding planets of the teams choice with technetium. Or renaming a system.


Worst idea...........ever!
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#164 - 2012-09-29 12:53:59 UTC
WarpToMe AtZero wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Radgette wrote:
the reason "esports" work in these other games is that the winner is decided by skill and strategy.

unless you plan on giving every entrant an all 5's character how can you say it's a fair match, all those little 2%'s and 5%'s add up, especially on things like falloff, mwd speed to name but a few.

so you could be a pretty good pvper but your hampered by time spent subbed to eve. which also comes into the plex to enter equasion altho you can just buy isk and plex you can't buy SP ( yes ofc you could buy a char on the bazaar ), but that once again makes the competition only for the rich ingame or out of game

yes ofc you want to make it a good show, but wheres the tournaments for the not so rich or old eve characters :P


If you missed the message... the entry cost is 20B ISK.

If you can afford 20B ISK, then you're probably *not* in a situation where your skill points is an issue.



lol 20 billion ISK is the minimum for the entry fee. May only the King and Queens fight in this battle. (or their proxies)

The common EVE player will be relegated to the nose bleed section of the arena. Yeah, you are screwed if you are in a small, poor, group that does PVP well.. (i.e. Pirates) Get back to the fields you 2nd class pesents. Get back to work. We need your taxes not your skills.


Since when is a single plex a big deal to anyone who's not totally new to this game? I thin you're vastly overstating how much isk you need.

(Hint - 1 plex per player)
Servant's Lord
The Untraceable
M A R A K U G A
#165 - 2012-09-29 13:29:44 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
WarpToMe AtZero wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Radgette wrote:
the reason "esports" work in these other games is that the winner is decided by skill and strategy.

unless you plan on giving every entrant an all 5's character how can you say it's a fair match, all those little 2%'s and 5%'s add up, especially on things like falloff, mwd speed to name but a few.

so you could be a pretty good pvper but your hampered by time spent subbed to eve. which also comes into the plex to enter equasion altho you can just buy isk and plex you can't buy SP ( yes ofc you could buy a char on the bazaar ), but that once again makes the competition only for the rich ingame or out of game

yes ofc you want to make it a good show, but wheres the tournaments for the not so rich or old eve characters :P


If you missed the message... the entry cost is 20B ISK.

If you can afford 20B ISK, then you're probably *not* in a situation where your skill points is an issue.



lol 20 billion ISK is the minimum for the entry fee. May only the King and Queens fight in this battle. (or their proxies)

The common EVE player will be relegated to the nose bleed section of the arena. Yeah, you are screwed if you are in a small, poor, group that does PVP well.. (i.e. Pirates) Get back to the fields you 2nd class pesents. Get back to work. We need your taxes not your skills.


Since when is a single plex a big deal to anyone who's not totally new to this game? I thin you're vastly overstating how much isk you need.

(Hint - 1 plex per player)


Since when are pirates good pvpers? 90% of pirates are "we outnumber you 5:1 and gank you hilariously fast or we run", "we have as many falcons as you have ships lined up, or we will not engage", or finally "we outnumber your ship that could kill us 5:1, so we're ALL gonna drop ECM drones, tracking disruptors, and orbit you with 5 sensor damping permamwd condors/hookbills...umadbro?".

That is what most pirates are...theres only a handful of actually solid groups (Tuskers are one that come to mind) that are actually capable of pvp.

20b is generally nothing to those WITH the list of All5 skills who are capable pvpers, but most of us generally get to where we're at through intelligent decisions. Putting up hilarious amounts of money s that CCP can make a very solid profit on this NO MATTER WHAT seems rather disgusting and one sided. It shows a huge amount of risk aversion by CCP, with us their customers putting up all of the money for the tournament ourselves.

If CCP come out and admits "yes we don't want to risk this, we're asking you the players nicely to front the money for this etc etc etc" it would come off a bit better. Their current dismissal of the entry fee as "ensuring contestants have a thick skin and are serious" is a blatant lie and is quite upsetting.
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch
Evasive Maneuvering.
#166 - 2012-09-29 13:59:56 UTC
The ship values need a little more tweaking, IMO Perhaps something like this:


  • Frigates have been buffed and shouid be 3 points. 2 point merlins are too cheap.
  • In light of the AF buff, bombers have become weaker and should be downgraded to 5 points.
  • Assault frigates themselves should maybe cost 5 points. Not sure on this one.
  • Even at 12 points, I don't think you'll be seeing HICs (lol-broadswords aside). 11, or even 10 points maybe.
  • Marauders are stronger than regular battleships, and should cost slightly more - 18 points.
Admiral Goberius
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#167 - 2012-09-29 15:15:09 UTC
So I have been looking closely at the rules post and the dev replies in this thread and cannot find any details about the whole B team deal.

I get that this is a character based tournament and alliance affiliation doesnt matter.

I see nothing in the rules against the same alliance or group fielding multiple teams as long as:
1. all the teams are made up of independent characters played by independent players
2. no collusion happens if these teams were to face each other on tourney day


HOWEVER

there is quite a big precedent for good players and bad posters getting banned for touching dicks on sisi so could you clarify whether there is *any* restriction to the same alliance fielding multiple teams as long as they do not collude?
Borascus
#168 - 2012-09-29 15:27:30 UTC
omFg SpaceCCPBro. You Nailed It!
Ensign X
#169 - 2012-09-29 16:16:14 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction


What we do have is a cost of entry in order to ensure that those who are stating they wish to compete have enough skin in the game to take it seriously.


As well as taking enough PLEX out of the game so that this tournament is funded entirely BY THE PLAYERS rather than taking a dime out of CCP's pockets.
Ensign X
#170 - 2012-09-29 16:29:30 UTC
Servant's Lord wrote:


You mention the reason for 20 plex being "to ensure that bidding teams are serious for a good tournament."

Why wouldn't a simple deposit be enough?


2 reasons.

1) A deposit wouldn't take PLEX out of the market/game and put them into CCP's pockets.
2) OK, I lied, just the 1 reason.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#171 - 2012-09-29 20:09:18 UTC
Nice way to start the media attention campaign for the launch of DUST 514. Hopefully the finalists will rig the final match and it will make big headlines.

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Theory Bore
Ozkavosh
Olde Guarde Historical Preservation Society
#172 - 2012-09-29 20:58:49 UTC
Any chance I could get some clarification by CCP on some of the rules regarding team size for this tournament?

"Dev Blog" wrote:
Please note that the minimum team size is eight pilots and the maximum team size is 24 pilots (8 main players plus up to 16 reserves).


Here it's somewhat confusing as to what a "player" and what a "pilot" is defined as. Does this mean 24 people can be on any given team or does it mean that there is a limit of 24 in-game characters? (e.g. would a team of 20 people who own 3 accounts each be allowed to use all 60 characters in the tournament)

"Dev Blog" wrote:
You may have as many of your characters in a single team as your captain allows. For example, if you own 5 EVE Online accounts with three characters on each there are no restrictions on how many of those characters can be in a single team. If you feel you can multibox your way to victory against some very dedicated teams then more power to you.


By the same metric, would a single person who owns 8 accounts be able to enter a team? The rules state that you need a minimum of 8 players, but it's still not clear as to what a "player" is according to the rules.
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#173 - 2012-09-29 21:11:23 UTC
Love the Alliance Tournament, flown in 3 to date, watched all the others. No interest in this. Sorry.
Lucas Quaan
Dark Enlightenment
New Eden Alliance 99013733
#174 - 2012-09-29 21:24:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Quaan
CCP Navigator wrote:
We in the tournament team are breaking new ground and EVE tournaments are now monetized. This is a big deal. Who knows how far we can bring this, and believe me, we have big plans.

We understand that EVE, probably more than most MMO's, is the ultimate competitive game. EVE tournaments are not about having the best gear but having the best strategies, the best set ups and, most importantly, the best players. With a solid team set up you guys can potentially start looking at corporate sponsorships in the future and can compete with other eSports.

We are putting our toe in the water with this tournament but everyone in CCP concerned with tournaments understand how big this can become and we want you to come along and be part of it.

Our goal is to grow tournaments to a whole new level and incorporate every class of player possible. This is not going to happen today or tomorrow but I can assure you that we are planning to include as many players as possible.

Let's host this tournament and see how it goes and see how we can make tournaments bigger and better in the future and how we can include lots more players.

It's an interesting idea and the best of luck with it, but this is EVE. Trying to hold this tournament within the regular game world is asking for a lot of trouble and drama.

You stated that there are consequences to attempting to 'pollute' other teams, but what other meta-gaming is considered against the rules? Are teams originating from the same entity allowed buy out all the slots? Spying/testing together? Bribing a director to peek into their hangars and tell you what's there?

I'm not saying I wont enjoy this and bending the rules was always part of the game, but you need to be extra clear on what you intend to enforce. Basically, always assume the worst of us. We sure do of you. ;) <3

edit: And like the post above, you still need to clarify if by 'player' you mean 'account' or 'physical person to be identified at sign-up', however you intend to verify that.
CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#175 - 2012-09-29 21:47:13 UTC
Theory Bore wrote:
Any chance I could get some clarification by CCP on some of the rules regarding team size for this tournament?

"Dev Blog" wrote:
Please note that the minimum team size is eight pilots and the maximum team size is 24 pilots (8 main players plus up to 16 reserves).


Here it's somewhat confusing as to what a "player" and what a "pilot" is defined as. Does this mean 24 people can be on any given team or does it mean that there is a limit of 24 in-game characters? (e.g. would a team of 20 people who own 3 accounts each be allowed to use all 60 characters in the tournament)

"Dev Blog" wrote:
You may have as many of your characters in a single team as your captain allows. For example, if you own 5 EVE Online accounts with three characters on each there are no restrictions on how many of those characters can be in a single team. If you feel you can multibox your way to victory against some very dedicated teams then more power to you.


By the same metric, would a single person who owns 8 accounts be able to enter a team? The rules state that you need a minimum of 8 players, but it's still not clear as to what a "player" is according to the rules.


Regarding your first question, you can have up to 24 people on a team but in that case every person can only field 1 character each. If you have 20 people on a team they can together field up to 24 in-game characters.

The second question, if you own 8 accounts you can register a team and multibox in the tournament.

eSports Coordinator for the EVE Universe & Community Specialist
Lucas Quaan
Dark Enlightenment
New Eden Alliance 99013733
#176 - 2012-09-29 23:04:48 UTC
Got it, 'player' in the rules means 'character' then. Thank you.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#177 - 2012-09-30 02:53:09 UTC
Awesome!
Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#178 - 2012-09-30 03:57:55 UTC
I don't know but is this another economy test from Dr. E on market speculation to keep PLEX prices up ?

Despite me being very happy with EvE attempting to enter eSports, specially since my TV is only streaming of either tournaments or eSports related, I can't stop feeling there's some pretty wrong things over how this is getting setup.

For starters the auction thing, it doesn't work, might be a necessary evil this once but I think it should have been done better, wait a bit longer to start this trend and work on getting a way of having natural qualification of teams according to their prowess instead of their pockets.

I don't know, someone a long time ago suggested arenas in EvE and this might be something useful for tournaments, setup teams, rankings and automatically a setup done to select the contestants, or something similar.

Another issue imo, is the skill points, all competitive games heavily rely on player skill, while EvE also relies a lot in player skill, I foresee a lot of issues that making this popular will bring on to EvE:

- Increase in character value with sponsors buying chars for their players since this one with 2% more of this skill can make a difference.
- black market and real money black market by sponsors waving money around in order to meta game (bribe) people to sell their characters for their players.
- a new market, character builder, not that it doesn't exist now, but will be a lot more profitable in the future.

Well that's just the few I can gett out of my head at this time of the night, and with some bar+alcohol hours in my head.

How would EvE succeed in eSports ?

- in game ranking system in order to qualify teams for tournaments (elo/ladders/whatever)
- special tournament server with all lvl 5's chars so only skill/setup/team work are the only variable that can define an outcome.

And last but not the least,

- CCP Fozzie casting all games!!!!!
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#179 - 2012-09-30 05:10:50 UTC
It would be awesome to watch the stream in a local cinema nearby... Smile

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Jhone Cahos
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2012-09-30 12:21:35 UTC
20 plex to bid ! whaoo mass suicide for teams who wont pass the first turn.

How to tell small team that you are note enaffly rich to participe to this kind of event !