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The reality of the goon freighter ganking in Uedema and neighboring systems.

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Delicia
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#501 - 2012-09-26 09:09:07 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:


It's funny that most of the intelligent comments I have read on here are from the goons themselves.

Maybe we should just ban pvp in all of high sec, so that we could fix the issue for one group of players and mess everyone else's game up. I mean we did it with mining ships why not.

Seriously though, haulers need to learn better strategies instead of calling for some new patch.


However, I am prepared to offer protection for any freighters that require it for a small fee. You will put your freighter alts (mains for some of you....) into my corp. We will run freighters as groups with armed escorts. I have already setup 20 new accounts to multibox with and I have some friends ready to move their toons in as well.

1. Pay a one-time application fee of only 250m. Please send to corp or my ceo and mark "freighter service" so I do not accidentally double your isk on my character.

2. Monthly fee will be 100m.

3. We will coordinate runs as small groups of freighters with an armed escrort. If gankers show up, we will web your ship to allow a quick warp to a corp safespot, rep your freighter as needed with our guardians, and finish off the gankers with the main escort fleet. We will then continue on. We will have multiple safes in each system so you can quickly warp no matter how you get bumped.


***BONUS If your ship is lost in fleets....

1. We will buy you a new identical ship at no cost to you.

2. We wil reimburse you for any lost collateral up to 3 billion per haul. We must limit this amount to guard against fraud.

3. NO limit on reimbursements. You pay us to take on the risk for you. You will earn slightly less a month, but you won't have to worry anymore about losing a 1.5+b ship and its contents/collateral.


Wait, there's more!

If you cannot afford or otherwise do not wish to partake in monthly option, you may rent our services for 25m a day. You will still have to join our corp for that day and fly in our fleets, but you can use us off and on.


***SPECIAL BONUS

You may prepay in advance and save fees!

Options:

1. Bronze: Send 450m isk, which covers your application fee and 3 months of coverage. This saves you 100m isk over 3 months. (better deal)

2. Silver: Send 700m isk, which covers your application fee and 6 months of coverage. This saves you 150m isk over 6 months. (even better deal)

3. Gold: Send 1b isk, which covers your application fee and 12 months of coverage. This saves you 450m isk over 12 months. (most popular package)

4. Platinum: Send 2b isk, which covers your application fee and LIFETIME use of our services, which may save you billions, not to mention you stop losing any more isk ever again to gankers! (BEST deal)


Feel free to reach out to me with any questions you may have. I think I have covered all the bases here.

Please note that I am already getting lots of questions since I floated this idea elsewhere recently.

To ensure you reserve a spot before corp is filled, act now to secure your spot!


IRONCLAD GUARANTEE:

If for ANY reason you are unsatisfied with our service, you may demand a no-questions asked 100% full refund within 30 days. I am absolutely convinced you will love our service so much






Does the application fee cover the first month?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#502 - 2012-09-26 11:45:09 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Karah Serrigan wrote:
The solution to this is pretty simple. We need cloaky freighters. But dont make them suck and be like jfs which only have 1/3 the cargo of a normal freighter. Let them have at least 2/3 or so.

First off I like the Idea :-D
I see a glorious future for cloaky AFK freighters...Oh wait...you would have to be there to press cloak everytime you align, but yeah it is highly improbable that someone decloaks you during that very short time.




Very short time: 40 seconds. Blink

Woo! CSM XI!

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#503 - 2012-09-26 11:51:26 UTC

No, the application fee is in addition to the 100m a month, including the first month.

HOWEVER, if savings are what you are after, check the deals section.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#504 - 2012-09-26 13:07:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Karah Serrigan wrote:
The solution to this is pretty simple. We need cloaky freighters. But dont make them suck and be like jfs which only have 1/3 the cargo of a normal freighter. Let them have at least 2/3 or so.

First off I like the Idea :-D
I see a glorious future for cloaky AFK freighters...Oh wait...you would have to be there to press cloak everytime you align, but yeah it is highly improbable that someone decloaks you during that very short time.




Very short time: 40 seconds. Blink


That is exactly what i meant...and Karah Serrigan was also rather sarcastic than serious (at least I hope so)

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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#505 - 2012-09-27 11:58:26 UTC
If you want to avoid being ganked in your freighter then just web it with an alt when it starts its warp cycle. Unless they are scramming you before firing, you will be out of there faster than a cruiser.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
Lord Nagumo
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#506 - 2012-09-27 15:41:23 UTC
So I am not the best pvp dude in eve but I am not the worst either but here's an idea. Its something that ive been told over and over so maybe it will help those poor freighter dudes that keep getting ganked.

Dont fly what you cant afford to lose.

that and if your really worried im sure they have alts that can fly rr just have them wait in the gank system when the gank is about to start just fly over and rep your hauler until concord comes and says wtfbbq time bitches
Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#507 - 2012-09-27 17:58:52 UTC
Lord Nagumo wrote:
So I am not the best pvp dude in eve but I am not the worst either but here's an idea. Its something that ive been told over and over so maybe it will help those poor freighter dudes that keep getting ganked.

Dont fly what you cant afford to lose.

that and if your really worried im sure they have alts that can fly rr just have them wait in the gank system when the gank is about to start just fly over and rep your hauler until concord comes and says wtfbbq time bitches


You need better Goggles

 ** Manchester United - Paul Scholes= Genius**
Phoenix Bibbs
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#508 - 2012-09-27 19:05:24 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:


It's funny that most of the intelligent comments I have read on here are from the goons themselves.

Maybe we should just ban pvp in all of high sec, so that we could fix the issue for one group of players and mess everyone else's game up. I mean we did it with mining ships why not.

Seriously though, haulers need to learn better strategies instead of calling for some new patch.


However, I am prepared to offer protection for any freighters that require it for a small fee. You will put your freighter alts (mains for some of you....) into my corp. We will run freighters as groups with armed escorts. I have already setup 20 new accounts to multibox with and I have some friends ready to move their toons in as well.

1. Pay a one-time application fee of only 250m. Please send to corp or my ceo and mark "freighter service" so I do not accidentally double your isk on my character.

2. Monthly fee will be 100m.

3. We will coordinate runs as small groups of freighters with an armed escrort. If gankers show up, we will web your ship to allow a quick warp to a corp safespot, rep your freighter as needed with our guardians, and finish off the gankers with the main escort fleet. We will then continue on. We will have multiple safes in each system so you can quickly warp no matter how you get bumped.


***BONUS If your ship is lost in fleets....

1. We will buy you a new identical ship at no cost to you.

2. We wil reimburse you for any lost collateral up to 3 billion per haul. We must limit this amount to guard against fraud.

3. NO limit on reimbursements. You pay us to take on the risk for you. You will earn slightly less a month, but you won't have to worry anymore about losing a 1.5+b ship and its contents/collateral.


Wait, there's more!

If you cannot afford or otherwise do not wish to partake in monthly option, you may rent our services for 25m a day. You will still have to join our corp for that day and fly in our fleets, but you can use us off and on.


***SPECIAL BONUS

You may prepay in advance and save fees!

Options:

1. Bronze: Send 450m isk, which covers your application fee and 3 months of coverage. This saves you 100m isk over 3 months. (better deal)

2. Silver: Send 700m isk, which covers your application fee and 6 months of coverage. This saves you 150m isk over 6 months. (even better deal)

3. Gold: Send 1b isk, which covers your application fee and 12 months of coverage. This saves you 450m isk over 12 months. (most popular package)

4. Platinum: Send 2b isk, which covers your application fee and LIFETIME use of our services, which may save you billions, not to mention you stop losing any more isk ever again to gankers! (BEST deal)


Feel free to reach out to me with any questions you may have. I think I have covered all the bases here.

Please note that I am already getting lots of questions since I floated this idea elsewhere recently.

To ensure you reserve a spot before corp is filled, act now to secure your spot!


IRONCLAD GUARANTEE:

If for ANY reason you are unsatisfied with our service, you may demand a no-questions asked 100% full refund within 30 days. I am absolutely convinced you will love our service so much





Erotica and his corp mates saved my Charon from getting ganked last week. Highly recommend their service.
Cactusfrankie
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#509 - 2012-09-27 21:46:19 UTC
Zedrik Cayne wrote:
Archon Zeratul wrote:
have to remember the majority of goons are silly nerdy 13 year old

its quite easy to out wit them

get an alt in an ibis with a civilian gattling gun and spawn concord on the gates before you jump your freighters through

as this is considered an exploit i would never never do this

you watch the goonies whine and cry now



When I was at war with said goons, they were actually doing this. And I'd managed to afk pilot cloaked to where they were staging in a safe near a gate hoping to catch an un-aligned pilot as they all warped to gate. Then a funny thing happened, a goon in a velator concorded himself on one of the non-aligned pilots and the rest of them warped to the gate. This happened several times as I was trying to catch a late pilot.

I can't remember whether or not CONCORD manipulation is actually an exploit or not. But it is the only borderline mechanic they are using.

There is only one way to escape a gank you are in the middle of.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Skill_Hardwiring

Look for 'hull hitpoint', 'armor hitpoint', 'shield capacity' and train up the related skills. (Like Mechanic to 5)

Spending a few hundred mil on implants and a few weeks of training can make you a significantly harder target. A determined enough foe can kill you. But they may not have enough capacity to take care of you at that moment.

gl hf diaf

We checked with the GM's and it is not. It is called preparing concord.

[quote]
Erotica 1 wrote:


It's funny that most of the intelligent comments I have read on here are from the goons themselves.

Maybe we should just ban pvp in all of high sec, so that we could fix the issue for one group of players and mess everyone else's game up. I mean we did it with mining ships why not.

Seriously though, haulers need to learn better strategies instead of calling for some new patch.


However, I am prepared to offer protection for any freighters that require it for a small fee. You will put your freighter alts (mains for some of you....) into my corp. We will run freighters as groups with armed escorts. I have already setup 20 new accounts to multibox with and I have some friends ready to move their toons in as well.

1. Pay a one-time application fee of only 250m. Please send to corp or my ceo and mark "freighter service" so I do not accidentally double your isk on my character.

2. Monthly fee will be 100m.

3. We will coordinate runs as small groups of freighters with an armed escrort. If gankers show up, we will web your ship to allow a quick warp to a corp safespot, rep your freighter as needed with our guardians, and finish off the gankers with the main escort fleet. We will then continue on. We will have multiple safes in each system so you can quickly warp no matter how you get bumped.


***BONUS If your ship is lost in fleets....

1. We will buy you a new identical ship at no cost to you.

2. We wil reimburse you for any lost collateral up to 3 billion per haul. We must limit this amount to guard against fraud.

3. NO limit on reimbursements. You pay us to take on the risk for you. You will earn slightly less a month, but you won't have to worry anymore about losing a 1.5+b ship and its contents/collateral.


Wait, there's more!

If you cannot afford or otherwise do not wish to partake in monthly option, you may rent our services for 25m a day. You will still have to join our corp for that day and fly in our fleets, but you can use us off and on.


***SPECIAL BONUS

You may prepay in advance and save fees!

Options:

1. Bronze: Send 450m isk, which covers your application fee and 3 months of coverage. This saves you 100m isk over 3 months. (better deal)

2. Silver: Send 700m isk, which covers your application fee and 6 months of coverage. This saves you 150m isk over 6 months. (even better deal)

3. Gold: Send 1b isk, which covers your application fee and 12 months of coverage. This saves you 450m isk over 12 months. (most popular package)

4. Platinum: Send 2b isk, which covers your application fee and LIFETIME use of our services, which may save you billions, not to mention you stop losing any more isk ever again to gankers! (BEST deal)


Feel free to reach out to me with any questions you may have. I think I have covered all the bases here.

Please note that I am already getting lots of questions since I floated this idea elsewhere recently.

To ensure you reserve a spot before corp is filled, act now to secure your spot!


IRONCLAD GUARANTEE:

If for ANY reason you are unsatisfied with our service, you may demand a no-questions asked 100% full refund within 30 days. I am absolutely convinced you will love our service so much





We are making a list for people who want to pay protection. It is 500m a month. It is not a scam. We will coach you on best practices to avoid getting ganked by others. Should you choose not to pay after the first month, we know who you are and can easily take care of you. Miniluv is really doing a service by teach people how to ship securely and not die. If we don't suicide gank you someone else will. The copycats like Persona non gratis, Gypsy Band, etc
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#510 - 2012-09-27 23:38:48 UTC
What's needed are Wave Motion Guns on freighters. Problem solved. CCP?
Anu Koir
Not Another Goon Alt Corp
#511 - 2012-09-28 04:47:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Anu Koir
the 'problem' will never be 'solved'. I hate to say it (no I don't) but there are people in EVE that want to have absolutely zero risk to have craptons of isk 'earned' while being afk. Ironic as it is, CCP's fought hard to stop this from occurring, as it takes away from actually playing the game. They've hunted and successfully gotten rid of almost every single bot, with the majority of the 'bots' left being in between the ages of 4 to 8 in RL (in regards to ice harvesting/mining). They thankfully fixed the COSMOS sites that people were abusing with Ishtars, Rattlesnakes, and Gilas, but haven't completely removed all sources of 'afk isk'. The 'problem' is that the current 'afk isk' making things deal with copying/researching or PI/moon goo. Of course, we all know that if the amount of isk spent on a freighter were to go into copying bpos the risk would be very minimal, but the reward wouldn't be big enough for the freighter/indy pilots to feel they have 'beaten' the system and make omglolwtfpwnage amounts of isk. Yes, I know what I just said, and that is how they think.

to sum it up into 4 points:

1. freighter pilots need to do things not afk and with an alt for near instawarp capabilities/rr to screw with suicide gankers.
2. enough non-combat pilots will always whine about not making enough isk 'safely' as they want a game like world of warcrap with the afk plexing possibilities of EVE (no I'm not sorry for the 'language')
3. Keep in mind, I am an indy pilot.

Fly Fun! :)

oh, and uh, 'Murkah! F* Yeah! here to save the mutherf*cking day yeah!


EDIT:

and oh yeah, as an indy pilot, thanks to indy pilots I now don't pull in as much isk at various times of the year thanks to a lack of hulkageddon based events. I used to sell craptons of exhumers. Yes, prices are 'higher', but actual demand is down, unfortunately. I don't sell anywhere near the amount I used to because they're just not bought as often thanks to less ganks.

thank you other indy guys, you've screwed over the market again.
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#512 - 2012-09-28 07:08:55 UTC
Think about how ubersweet it would be to have Obelisks, Charons, Trackless jawa crawlers in space, and those amarr freighters-on-the-half-shell things all with Wave Motion Guns standing by to blast any obstacles to safety!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVoDoTlaITU

It'd be like fleets of highsec super titans! 100s of billions of isk could be afked everywhere with no need for anyone to pay attention to anything! fun fun fun...
Sgmorris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#513 - 2012-09-29 10:35:19 UTC
i rejoined the game a few months ago and join a corp in FA left soon after i found out FA was joining GOONS in there empire ganking . i hate empire gankers... more for 0.0 alliances you have 0.0 space and you cant find stuff to kill? then leave 0.0 .... i would hope eve-online would stop empire ganking ... its un fear play.... your killing targets that have no chance to defend it self ... and i have little to none respect for any one who ganks in empire and is not a true pvper just an ass hole .........
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#514 - 2012-09-29 11:36:33 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere. They will shoot it with an alt character to get the freighter into pvp, this stops the pilot from logging out. Due to how effective this is, there is no escape for the freighter pilot. Once you've jumped into that system in a freighter, you've given them a 100% guaranteed kill on you. Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.

I also watched their characters log in one by one and then suddenly all of them logged off on my contacts at precisely the same moment, looks like his computer crashed :D

Checked their character history, about half of them joined the corp on the same day and the other half were all new characters, created on the same day, earlier this year.

They also use log in traps, to trick people into thinking they're offline, the bumpers wait for a target and when one is found and held in place, the ganking characters are logged in to destroy it.

Perhaps everyone should start doing this, it's a really easy way to earn isk and get epic kills. Plenty of people with multiple accounts and the time to burn.

For a list of their ganking characters just look up Furious Father on a killboard and see his freighter kills and who was part of it.



One of the many things wrong with the game.

With endless isk from CCP's moon-goo debacle, Goon's can buy and pay for any number of accounts, any number of ships, and create havoc in the game without any help at all.
You can create a 500 man blob with 50 people easily, don't have to worry about everyone logging on, as long as the core players are there.

I wonder if CCP will ever disclose how many live people actually play the game anymore. If they have 300k subs, I'd bet there are no more than 20k-30k people running them all. Shocked



you're on to something here, keep investigating and by all means post your findings for our perusal

...and when in doubt, just post illogical arguments that have no basis

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#515 - 2012-09-29 15:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
Sgmorris wrote:
[I] (I is always capitalized as is the first word of a sentence) rejoined the game a few months ago[,] (conjunctions require commas) and join[ed] (proper tense) a corp in FA[.](period at the end of complete sentence)] [I] left soon after [I] found out FA was joining [Goons] (proper noun, not an acronym) in [their] (there/their/they're) empire ganking. [I] hate empire gankers[.] (ellipses indicate omissions of words or phrases; not dramatic pauses.) [F]or 0.0 alliances you have 0.0 space and [if] you cant find stuff to kill then leave 0.0 [.] (Also ellipses are three periods not some random number that feels right) [I] would hope [CCP] (Eve Online is the game and without volition. CCP would be the ones making a change) would stop empire ganking[;] [it's] [unfair] play[,] [you're] killing targets that have no chance to defend [themselves] (subject/verb agreement) [,] and [I] have little to [no] respect for anyone who ganks in empire[.] (run on sentence so I'll make a structural change) [They are] not a true pvper, just an *******.


If you're going to claim to be former CFC don't post like an illiterate stroke victim, thank you.
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#516 - 2012-09-29 17:34:27 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere.


This is actually a petitionable offense. Permanent bumping on gates or stations is a no-no.
Pipa Porto
#517 - 2012-09-29 23:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Ra Jackson wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere.


This is actually a petitionable offense. Permanent bumping on gates or stations is a no-no.


Good thing the Bumping that's happening isn't permanent. It's bumping for a purpose (that purpose being to set the Freighter up for a Gank). Perfectly legitimate (just like bumping battleships and carriers off station to kill them).

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#518 - 2012-09-29 23:59:46 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere.


This is actually a petitionable offense. Permanent bumping on gates or stations is a no-no.


Good thing the Bumping that's happening isn't permanent. It's bumping for a purpose (that purpose being to set the Freighter up for a Gank). Perfectly legitimate (just like bumping battleships and carriers off station to kill them).


As it sounds from the OP the bumping is just to annoy the freighter pilot and force him log off as he cannot do anything else. Calling it "preparing for a gank" is a little far stretched, but I'll leave that to CCP to decide.
Pipa Porto
#519 - 2012-09-30 00:45:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Ra Jackson wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere.


This is actually a petitionable offense. Permanent bumping on gates or stations is a no-no.


Good thing the Bumping that's happening isn't permanent. It's bumping for a purpose (that purpose being to set the Freighter up for a Gank). Perfectly legitimate (just like bumping battleships and carriers off station to kill them).


As it sounds from the OP the bumping is just to annoy the freighter pilot and force him log off as he cannot do anything else. Calling it "preparing for a gank" is a little far stretched, but I'll leave that to CCP to decide.


Nope. The OP's complaining that the bumping (and shooting with the cheap frigate alt) is to force him away from the gate with a 15m combat logout timer, so that his choices are Log out (resulting in the Freighter warping off and the gankers having 15m to scan him down) or staying online (resulting in the bump ship driving the freighter away from the gate guns). Either way works for the gank fleet.

Quote:
They also use log in traps, to trick people into thinking they're offline, the bumpers wait for a target and when one is found and held in place, the ganking characters are logged in to destroy it.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Escomboli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#520 - 2012-10-01 03:45:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Escomboli
Easiest solution to this problem is to hire Red/Blue/Black Frog Freighter. They pay a collateral. If they pop, you get the isk. That way you don't end up like this guy: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17489748


After I lost a hauler full of goodies due to my own stupidity I started using them. Best decision I've made in a long time.