EVE General Discussion

Meh. Looks kind of interesting, I suppose.

Disclaimer: Any or all features that CCP claims will come around in this next expansion is due for change or removal upon the whims of the CCP devs.

It's happened. Things get suddenly pulled, changed, etc. Thought I would state that before people start thinking that the changes are in stone.

okay so I have a few questions regarding the upcoming expansion (note that I am going off the Massively article as there are more details at this time)


The new bounty system - Okay so I have to start by asking HOW is this different from the current bounty system except for adding alliances and Corporations to the current bounty system? As I understand it, there are no longer minimum requirements for putting bounties on people, this brings up a point. What's to say that a criminal or someone with shady motives cannot put a bounty on newer players or players that have done no wrong simply to abuse the system?

New Tool tips for alerting of nearby bounties, First off, how could this change how Locator agents are used in locating bounties and other people?

"These tooltips, according to Lander and Touberg, help CCP to give every ship a story and to move the game away from the old perception of "spreadsheets in space." - I feel some sort of betrayal here, as I am used to "spreadsheets in Space" ... I mean EVE online :)

New popup icons for aggression levels, I actually kind of like this idea as it makes it more available what actions provide what kind of response, (Unable to jump/dock, player aggression and CONCORD responses). Also along these lines are the new ship safety features, I have mixed feelings about this, one one hand, learning EVE the hard way is part of what makes EVE...well EVE. On the other hand, having these systems in place for newer players does make sense.

the big change in the bounty system is not that it can be placed on corporations and allances, thats just a nice gimmick

the big change is that it is no longer easily exploitable by letting a friend pod you in an empty clone to collect the bounty

the new system will only pay that bounty if there is an actual loss.

lets say for example a 100 million bounty is placed on my head because i killed someones orca and he is mad at me. with the current system, i will just pod myself with an alt and collect the bounty for myself, laughing madly about how stupid that person was for placing the bounty, secretly thanking CCP for a very, very broken system

with the new system, i have to loose stuff worth at least 100 million, probably more to collect the bounty. much like the LP payout for kills in FW works. if i desperately want to get rid of the bounty, i can still kill myself, but i will LOOSE isk by doing so.
other players can actually start hunting for the ebil piwates with the HUGE bountys on their heads, because they will make some money by killing their pimped out machariel, thy will also know who they are, dont forget that there is a list of players with a high bounty somewhere ingame.

that introduces a new profession to eve, the bounty hunter. it also makes the pirate profession more viable because they will have to be careful wherever they are once they have accumulated a bounty high enough. dont forget that it gives carebears a way to actually do something (read: pay someone else to do something) against those griefers constanly disrupting their peacefull mining op.

i can't emphasise enough how much that will change eve. fantastic feature

One would think the advent of Bounty Hunting would increase PvP, not reduce it?

Besides it wasnt a long time ago you were suggesting BH would never prevent skilled criminals from their activities?

I still don't see it as a remedy from criminal activity, but if anything I'm hoping it might actually make High sec a more entertaining place for PvP. It at last means there might be more sensible responce to the ganker who has had it easy up to now with their easy capabilities of avoiding a fight where the target might actually shoot back at them.

At the very least it might at last give credance to a career path that has been invalid for years in EvE and expand gameplay as a result, I see it as a great announcement for EvE and a victory for players also. +1 CCP.

But I guess if you're conceding defeat to the law concerned individuals of High sec Andski I will understand. *smiles*

Anyone can shoot anyone -5 and below including pods. Crimewatch just makes it a whole lot safer to move a 10b ISK pinata around on autopilot. The bounty system needed work but shifting "everyone in the target corp can shoot you" to "literally everyone in the game can shoot you while using neutral reps with impunity while nobody else can fight on your side" is just goddamn stupid.

Suicide ganking is literally the only PvP left in hisec other than RvB "no-pod-honoure-fights" and the apparent solution to this is to do literally everything possible short of disabling aggression in hisec outright to minimize suicide ganking and painting it as "more PvP opportunities."

-5 means criminal. why should they be safe in police country ? btw: there is going to be a way to buy your way back to a better sec status (-4.9) by handing in dog-tags.

and about neutral reps: from what i remember from fanfest: as soon as someone starts shooting a suspect (yellow flag) a limited engagement (read: mini-war) between the two starts. everyone who also gets involved in that engagement on either side, will get flagged for that engagement. correct me if you have more information than i do, what i remember is a few months old

As I said, -5 and below are shootable on Tranquility right now. Not until Retribution/NGE is released, now.



They have not discussed that since Fanfest.



So can somebody get involved on the 'red' side of that equation?

They should have like a 1 week vacation from the game for some bounty hunter victimes

So why aren't you in lowsec or null, if you're so desperate for PVP? Or does it bother you when your targets can fight back?

If there's anything I hate more than a pirate, it's a whiny pirate. HTFU.