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HAC's need a role
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Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2012-09-29 09:14:15 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
King Rothgar wrote:
I agree the HAC's are largely overshadowed by other things these days but I also think you're over thinking it. A simple fitting buff to them is all that's really required. The reason the cynabal outclasses the vagabond by such a huge margin isn't because of speed or gun range, it's because the cynabal can fit a full rack of 720 arties without any fitting sacrifices while a vaga struggles with even 220 AC's. It's like that across the rest of them too.


Extra fitting would allow them to do things involving 100mn AB's and the like. it doesn't address the issues that the close range HAC's have with being close to pointless.


Why are they used by half of nullsec if they are pointless?
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#22 - 2012-09-29 09:37:59 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
King Rothgar wrote:
I agree the HAC's are largely overshadowed by other things these days but I also think you're over thinking it. A simple fitting buff to them is all that's really required. The reason the cynabal outclasses the vagabond by such a huge margin isn't because of speed or gun range, it's because the cynabal can fit a full rack of 720 arties without any fitting sacrifices while a vaga struggles with even 220 AC's. It's like that across the rest of them too.


Extra fitting would allow them to do things involving 100mn AB's and the like. it doesn't address the issues that the close range HAC's have with being close to pointless.


Why are they used by half of nullsec if they are pointless?


By "Being used in nullsec" you mean: If you can Fly a Zealot you do it - if you cant, you fly something else cause it's better than nothing.

I'm also sick of people taking 1 type of massed ship, making a fleet out of it and declaring that ship viable because of one limited situation. The muninn is the perfect example. an AC tornado is just plain better than it in it's strongest role - the only issue issue is it's skill point intensive and lots of null-sec is populated by experienced players giving out orders (minority) then pets who turn up in a ship they are told to buy (majority). When you see fleet reports from SERIOUS pvp alliances their ship choices are include practically none of these HAC's - simply because they take other ships that do it better.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2012-09-29 22:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Cameron Cahill
Maeltstome wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
King Rothgar wrote:
I agree the HAC's are largely overshadowed by other things these days but I also think you're over thinking it. A simple fitting buff to them is all that's really required. The reason the cynabal outclasses the vagabond by such a huge margin isn't because of speed or gun range, it's because the cynabal can fit a full rack of 720 arties without any fitting sacrifices while a vaga struggles with even 220 AC's. It's like that across the rest of them too.


Extra fitting would allow them to do things involving 100mn AB's and the like. it doesn't address the issues that the close range HAC's have with being close to pointless.


Why are they used by half of nullsec if they are pointless?


By "Being used in nullsec" you mean: If you can Fly a Zealot you do it - if you cant, you fly something else cause it's better than nothing.

I'm also sick of people taking 1 type of massed ship, making a fleet out of it and declaring that ship viable because of one limited situation. The muninn is the perfect example. an AC tornado is just plain better than it in it's strongest role - the only issue issue is it's skill point intensive and lots of null-sec is populated by experienced players giving out orders (minority) then pets who turn up in a ship they are told to buy (majority). When you see fleet reports from SERIOUS pvp alliances their ship choices are include practically none of these HAC's - simply because they take other ships that do it better.


Firstly do you even know what muninn fleets do? Because they are firstly designed to not die, a concept foreign to the tornado, and secondly designs to kite and do decent damage at medium range with good tracking, which the nado doesn't do particularly well either.

Secondly are you seriously suggesting that IRC are a 'serious pvp alliance'? If not (as i assume because lol) then who exactly are you talking about?

EDIT: also how is the tornado skill intensive? its a t1 bc.
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