Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ouch...

Yes, clearly highsec needs a buff to be made safer.

"I mean, what's wrong with buffing EHP of freighters? It's just one nerf, not the end of the world.. And we're not taking ganking away entirely, just requiring you to use a few more ships to do it..."

Get back to Reddit.

Maybe if there were more ways to lawfully engage freighters in combat in highsec people wouldn't gank them so much.

While I am an advocate for anything that ruins the day of those intent on destroying high sec, in this case, I have to agree with the sociopaths. To actually organize a group large enough to alpha a freighter takes some doing.

An afk freighter, crawling 15 km to a gate, yes, the gankers have a ridiculous amount of time to assemble an alpha squad.
That is just the life if Eve, and you actually have to give some credit to the gankers at that point.

What I recommend to the OP is to be prudent, like posted by others. Limit the value of your cargo.
2nd, and more importantly, don't akf through known hot spots. Warp to zero, and move along smartly.

3rd, when moving a valuable cargo, or when you have zero choice but to go through a hot spot, bring along a Rapier or Huginn with double web's that is also heavily sensor boosted (actually, given the sig of the freighter, not really required)
The mehodology is to fleet someone of the same corp (not sure Concord allows someone of the same alliance) with the freighter pilot.

1.The Rapier/Huginn pilot jumps ahead of the freighter pilot, say 10 seconds.

2. The recon pilot then breaks cloak, and is ready to lock. Given the range of the recon's webs, they should be in range of any ship, even on the gates with the largest signature.

3. The freighter pilot jumps through, and immediately begins aligning for the next gate, or EVEN BETTER, a SAFESPOT in DEEP SPACE.

4.The recon pilot then immediately double web's the freighter as soon as it becomes visible. The recon pilot should actually get the webbers "pre-heated" by activating them BEFORE the freighter is visible, but the recon pilot has to be smart, because as soon as he locks anything, those webbers will kick in and Concord will consider it an offensive action. Now, that is no biggie if in same corp, Concord won't shoot. But if he locks anyone else, the recon pilot will get popped.

5. The freighter pilot hits warp as soon as those webs are applied, and will insta-warp due to the vastly reduced top speed of the freighter measured against the 75% of speed of an unwebbed freighter required to initiate warp.

6. This is also important, as it refers to #4. A Safespot is preferable, since even a recon in the same corp will not be allowed by Concord to immediately jump after webbing a friendly. The freighter could possibly jump, and have its 30 second cloak expire on the next jump before the recon pilot is cleared to jump. Hence the safespot. The freigher hits the safespot, then immediately begins an align to the next gate. As soon as the recon pilot is clear to jump, the freighter pilot warps to zero, and the process is repeated. While there is a chance that you will be scanned down in the time it takes to align to the next gate is possible, it is pretty unlikely it will happen, given most gankers operate in highly populated systems with lots of sigs, plus they are usually too dumb/ lazy to go after any targets but what are on the gates. (as a addendum, you sometimes don't have to wait for the recon to be cleared to jump before the freighter intiates warp from a safespot. If I remember correctly, the timer is 60 seconds, so the freighter pilot can be transit to the next gate before the timer runs out



I have used this method moving freighters through dangerous high sec choke points, and even 1 or 2 jumps into low sec. From the time the freighter is decloaking on a gate until in warp is a matter of a few seconds. It is hardly enough time for a ganking crew to scan down a cargo and decide whether they want to attack of not. By the time that decision is made, you should be in warp.

It is best to practice this method in safe until you get it right, but it works.

Posting in a duplicate topic that exists because More Nerf to ganking fell off the first page.

Also wondering how some nerds manage to argue over this same imbecilic topic for a combined 28 pages.

Not at all. It's a concept that many freighter pilots understand & actively implement to avoid being picked as a target. Making yourself unprofitable to gank is not taking a loss. Making yourself profitable to gank is the loss. Read the text at the bottom for a more detailed real life comparison (I'm not generally a big advocate on those, but quite a bit of it can be applied here).




Having a longer cloak timer wouldn't help one bit, it just means the gankers have to wait longer before the target uncloaks.
Being covered for some alignment time would mean everyone piloting ships would also want this. Freighters are big ships & have a high mass which accounts for the larger alignment time. People choose to pilot freighters for various reasons & they all need to accept that their ship choice comes with many downsides.



I haven't personally been involved in any of the freighter ganks so I can't honestly give you an answer on those statistics (and out of habit, I wouldn't anyway). What I can tell you comes from personal experience in my real life profession. The company I worked for 8 years ago was heavily involved in armoured vehicle cash (and other things) escorts. We had certain runs that had to be completed on certain days. For each individual run, we'd have several routes set out that we could take which were chosen at random by the driver. The vehicles themselves are also built to make a potential attack or robbery (you guessed it) unprofitable. If you can't get inside the vehicle to begin with, then you're losing money.

This is the standard proceedure for that type of work for a reason; It works. One out of 10, 20 or more routes is chosen at random, on the spot by the driver. When one of these is attacked or robbed, 99% of the time it is attributed to an inside job, ironically, the driver since he's the only person that knows which way you're going. Now when you use this type of method, the gankers in this case would need to use other methods to gank you, but often by that stage it has become unprofitable to do so (in EVE) especially when someone else is already on their way on autopilot completely ovlivious to what's happening around him.

Now while there may not be 10,20 or more different routes you can take in EVE, there is always more than 1. Even if both routes have a ganker presence, there is still another way around which I briefly touched on in an earlier post.

You mean "DON'T AUTOPILOT WITH BILLIONS IN CARGO!!!"

Bringing friends is usually overkill, you would only ever need them if you were caught, and you should never get caught (as there are preventative measures a'plenty). That includes not using containers (guaranteed drop), not using major trade routes (near-guaranteed cargo scan), use bookmarks for docking/undocking (to eliminate gank/scan window), don't let anyone know what you are doing where and when, etc.

Pilots can quite easily prevent suicide ganks, they can;

Not fly a cargo thats worth ganking a freighter for, doing so is always laziness or greed.
Not fly them through kill zones.
Not **** people off, it has consequences.

Erm players not showing their losses on their killboard has nothing to do with CCP or the game. Players choose to set their killboard to not show losses to npcs and they would do that regardless if the api somehow flagged it as a "pvp" kill.