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Okay, so not much is said about mutual besides that bit there, but it is stated in the second quote, that a single war cannot cost more than 500 million, though I'm not sure if that still stands. So it's without penalty to leave or join a Corp which is in Mutual wars only, which is something.

It also states in the previous posts quote, that a Defender Corp transfers its Wardecs to and from the joined Alliance, indicating that when it leaves the Alliance, it leaves with the Wardec and the Alliance is no longer in that War with the Corp that brought it. So unless you declare War against an Alliance.. assuming that still stands.

I'll admit, I don't know a heck of a lot about this system. I never use it.

So we're left with a relatively unresolved and apparently undecided, (except for one or two things), mutual wardec system within the wardec mechanics. I don't see why changes can't be made, if that is indeed still the case. No reason they couldn't be made anyway, but this makes it slightly more likely they'll be done sooner, rather than later.

So good we had this thread posted here.


So, I suppose I'd suggest a limit on mutual wars. I mean really, you can choose to be more selective about who you Wardec, but that's another thing. Hardly something predictable, and it could happen to anybody, and it is very easy to trap someone this way. That goes for both the would be Wardeccers, and the would be avengers of Wardecs or Highsec grief campaigns and gank squads.

Now, you can't arbitrarily say that a Corp could just Aggress, agree to mutual, (not sure they have the option), then decide they want to bail and surrender out without the Defender having the option to say no.

That leaves finding a way to legally nullify the war. Inactivity would be a good basis for legally nullifying a war. So, say if a period of 2 weeks passes without an engagement, (involving lost ships or not), taking place, the Aggressor Corp could choose to file for Nullification of a War in a legal fashion. This should require a fee, but after 24 hours passes, they should be allowed out of the War.

Can't think of anything else that would be more appropriate or fair atm.

I don't know about alliances but everything you posted about corps can be circumvented.

Which would be as easy as empty your walled division for auto billing. That's all you have to do. The war ends after 7 days.

I have successfully used this strategy multiple times. I even got a surrender fee once or twice from idiots that got the whole alliance dec'd by joining and leaving. When they left they were still dec'd. Nice that they built that into the game.

Also, spending a billion ISK to circumvent a war dec is ******* pathetic.

so what if they join dec shield. and dec shield makes it mutual.. mutual war decs are free

so what if they leave the alliance and the offending corp now has a new war dec fee... end of the week, they don't poay the fee and this happens..

CONCORD invalidates war declared by bullies. against play ground kids
From: CONCORD
Sent: 2012.09.26 12:25

CONCORD has declared this war invalid as it breaches one or more articles in the Yulai Convention. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.

pay no fee war ends..

so whats ya damn point OP?

Last time they decced my own alliance 'other thoon ' it ended up with me camping their freighter in and once that one logged off i gave their low-sec spot a visit wich resulted in the same thing

Don't worry guys CCP keeps telling me that they are going to "Iterate" on war dec mechanics and don't forget that we have crimewatch 2.0 to look forward to.

I can't possibly imagine that they'll leave loads of gaping flaws in the mechanics or make game design descisions that hugely disincentiveize PVP in highsec or anything.

Not often I find something said by the goons that's worth +1 'ing but the whole wardecs system needs retiring and instead empire space needs to learn a thing or two from nullsec. Namely:

1. FW is mandatory for everyone in empire. All corps / alliances have to declare allegiance to an Empire faction.

2. No Concord. Factions police their own zones. High sec is still safe to those of that faction (i.e. a gank will result in the same outcome) or their allies but taxes are high in return for that level of safety.

3. What constitutes safe high sec is reduced to +7 and above.

4. +6 and below becomes has ever-decreasing levels of security. However factions will still police those areas.

5. Members of the opposing factions can be targeted at will.

6. Neutrals can also be targeted at will. If it ain't blue it can be shot at.

7. Any aggression in high sec that results in -5 sec status will result in being expelled from the empire faction.

SHould put some fun into the game.

Great post, thanks to make this public.

Hope to see a fix asap.

Cannot the aggressor corp not extend the war with those 40 1 man corps, just extend it with my corp, thus keeping costs down?