Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Do you think they could rebalance everything for next expansion?

What if they would tweaked heavy missiles after they have finished with T3s and before that we would have "balanced" missile ships with new heavy missile stats but missiles in game would be with older stats? Would you say those ships are broken?

I tell you something, even if there was one, their BS would suck in comparison to the Mach, just because large AC are so OP. The Mach just shows how OP AC really are, but in PvE the Vargur is not much behind.

Btw, I am not pleased at all by your tendency to completely ignore my questions. They are not rhethorical. Do you agree on the fact there is no reason why the Caldari Marauder should be worse than the Minmatar Marauder, and since it is atm not (neither with long nor with short range weapons) there is a need to buff both the systems and the ship, or nerf the Vargur so its in line with the Golem?

And do you agree on the fact, the same applies to all Caldari missile hulls compared to their counterparts except the Drake and Tengu, and to all systems like Torp, CM, and to a degree also HAM?

Apoc + MPL II + Scorch = 70km optimal

Yeah, let's take away the only thing that makes short range pulse laser decent...

What do you want to say with that statement? While I agree the Apoc has a nice range with its lasers (Pulse same as Beams/Tachys ..), I dont feel it is OP in game to a degree there is nothing which can counter it, beat it in PvE or whatever. So pls make a statement which I can understand.

"70km range for short range turret is so OP"

TDs are very effective against pulse lasers.

Try this: do level 4 The Blockade in Amarr space using only Apocalypse (T1 or navy, doesn't matter). In Sansha version you get TD'ed to hell and BR version you will get neuted to hell. Try to do Sansha version under 30min without switching ships at any point. You can warp out and back at range if you want but it's not going to help you.

I've flown Typhoon, Nighthawk, and yes even Drake in level 4s. I know something about misiles and pve. Not going to argue that cruises couldn't use a slight buff. And that would just be a slight damage increase like they are doing with light missiles. They are not meant to hit smaller stuff. So any messing with the explosion parameters would not be warranted. If you want to reliably kill frigs basically you should be doing it with light drones or small turrets or launchers anyway (and please don't start another argument over blapping frigs at range, we've already hashed that out previously itt).

Conversely, it does not appear that you have much experience with turrets. And anyway the best missioning in my opinion is with drone boats and sentries (of course that doesn't translate to sleepers and whs). But back to the subject of this thread, the changes to HMs are only part of the picture. If they make your job a little more difficult then recognize the new necessity to adjust your fittings to compensate. And you will still be able to laugh at sansha TD-ing anyway. Or recognize the necessity to reevaluate your Raven et al options. Turret boats really are not any greater, unless you want to point to the Macharial and well it's on the list and I will dance the day it gets a chop right along with you.

That Drakes ever were capable of running level 4s was a mistake. One that CCP apparently didn't care about. When people started fitting buffer and not regen on pvp Drakes and the Drake numbers started to explode and it persisted and kept getting worse, they finally started taking notice (after a couple years). Your Drake will still be a decent level 3 boat, like the Harby and Cane and Myrm. It will no longer have enough damage to make it through level 4s anymore. And in the future a regen tank will still be strong enough for level 3s but not for level 4s (when the general BC rebalancing comes) I would bet.

Heavy missiles are being brought back into line with other medium long range weapons. They still will have the most alpha and dps at range. But in the future if what you seek is good pvp brawler dps you will have to HAM fit them. Just as anyone presently has to ac, pulse, or blaster fit the other BCs. Welcome to the world of fitting choices. It sucks, but a game is better when everyone doesn't gravitate to particular items or skills, while others languish in the land of misfit toys.

Every other missile boat may need buffing, but that's not even what this thread is about. This thread is about the reduction of the range and DPS of heavy missiles. They're giving a buff in PvE to EVERY missile ship in the form of TE's and TC's, and giving missile ships a buff in PvP as well at the cost of being vulnerable to tracking disruptors.

You can in fact fit a TE on a Golem. It might even bet worth fitting 2 if the bonuses are good enough. Tracking mods on turret ships are in many circumstances more valuable than damage mods. Depending on how the numbers work out, you may be able to forgo the Flare rigs, freeing up two rig slots for something useful like cap, tanking, damage or range rigs. The same goes for the CNR.

If after the TE change people still haven't worked out a fit on the CNR or Golem that's competitive with the Kronos and Paladin, CCP can revisit torps or the ships themselves and give them a slight buff. Notice I didn't say the Vargur - I think it's out of line. If anything, we could use a slight reduction in the amount of falloff that TE's and TC's add, like from 30% to 25% or 20% - that would almost certainly bring them in line.

TE offer a lowslot alternative to flare/rigor rigs, and will likely have a more powerful total effect than a midslot mod or rig. If (for instance) you can change a cap relay to a TE, and then change a rigor rig to a cap rig, the total effect would be a win-win - you have the range improving effects and explosion radius reduction from the TE in addition to the explosion velocity improvement that the rig gave, and you would also be able to get rid of the shield boost penalty from a cap relay.

It opens up lots of fitting options.

Very true, this is why you really don't see TCs on turret ships either.

I'm also in favor of boosting the effectiveness of tracking computers, or perhaps even better, swapping the bonuses of TCs and TE's, making the midslot module more powerful. Shield tanking is often favored over armor tanking these days because all of the most powerful modules go in your lowslots, on top of the general superiority of shield tanking.

Well, I don't know about the superiority of shield tanking.

So far it seems that shield boats do have more capability of fitting more dps modules, and with TEs they'll get more effective dps and range.

However, from all the playing around that I've done with eft and from general discussions with other players, it also appears that armor tanks are capable of fitting more durable tanks.

The way I was thinking, maybe just remove tracking computers and make TEs omni slot, so they could go in either the mid or low slots.

I've felt this way about cap rechargers and shield rechargers. Shield boats rarely get to use them and what is available is low slots is less effective than mid slot cap and shield recharge.