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Think you can only fit one of those.

But if we were allowed to fit more ECM that would be awesome !

Hi. I'm OP and I don't know what drones are.

Heh this tbh.ECM allways been there it is not the killer of solo pvp.However from the above list i could take a good pick of what did kill it a long long time ago .... Let's just stick with blob as it is what makes the difference in 90% of the pvp.ONly odd one out i'd say is plex as that is a totally different thing and VERRY specific to the pilot himself , one could then also call PLEX price an overall game killer with the above logic.



Nah , if i had to place a year on it i'd more go for 2008ish when killboard jerking off became the number one rule for everyone.Hell i'd even dare say killboards IS what killed solo pvp as all the rest is a result of it in the end.

IMO that "crippling effect of losing targets" - essential and the same thing happens with a sensor damp hitting you at range - you lose targeting. I don't see why ECM should be gutted so badly but I do find the current operations to be a problem.

Also, ECM deals with targeting - not slots that may or may not hold targeting equipment. Sensor damps mess with range & time to acquire a target - ECM? ... Yours is an interesting idea but it has some ugly implications.

I did come up with a different approach that is ... odd. What other attributes are there to targeting? Quantity.

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No chance based operation. It works reliably and predictable all the time, just like Sensor Damps and any other type of EW.

ECM and ECCM go over to a system more like points/scrams vs warp core stabs but allow/mandate stacking to use for high effects - just like most other types of EW.

Each cycle of the initial ECM would cost you all your targets - additional applications (stacking of mods/drones) would not do this though each module/drone would decrement your max target count. You can target 8 ships, a strength 3 ECM would drop that to 5 ships max you could target.

The target reduction would be based upon your skills more than the ship. So if you had Targeting + Multitasking both at 5; to block targeting, they'd need to jam that 12 max, not just the 2-10 that a ship can target to entirely prevent locking of any targets. (you could train to enable better protection - just like other EW have skills to help against them.)

If at any point a jamming ship goes out of range or loses targeting on the jammed ship, it stops - just like killing a sensor damp ship, it frees you from all effects when the signal is disrupted. (no 20s jam timer).

ECCM would provide 2 effects: 1) Potential protection from being jammed at all. 2) Added number of targets that can be potentially locked (excess targets - like having skills trained to target 12 while flying a ship only able to target 8. It would take that 12 to 14 -- zip effect unless ECM jammed.)

"jammed at all" protection - if it's protection value exceeds the jam value of the ECM ship, you won' t lose all targets each time it cycles (though it will reduce your "excessive" max target count). In other words, a multi-spectral jam with a strength of 1 hitting a ship with an ECCM strength of 2 - the target wouldn't lose targeting though it's max target count would be decremented by 1. (stacking could still gut your ability to target anything but you wouldn't lose targeting every cycle).

Modules and rigs to help ECM would change to range, cycle time, etc. vs strength to improve /rand chances. It opens up a lot of options for how meta variations can work while still retaining most of the GTFO protection - 100% target loss per cycle if they don't have ECCM? Yet you still may not get away - it only decrements the absolute max count of targets while costing the lock but only at cycle time.

Net effects:
ECM always has "some" effect when applied to a target yet that effect can be mitigated by skills and fittings vs hit or miss based upon a randomizer.

ECCM works predictably and reliably to counter ECM effects; it isn't seen as a crap-shoot solution but a predictable counter.

Targeting and Multi-tasking gain value to train farther.

You'd probably also want other types of EW along for gang ops vs just ECM ships -- get those lock times up or that "each cycle" may not be good enough - it's not 20 seconds to reacquire anymore. Immediately able to retarget.

I've used the current ECCM and it's a very crappy counter to ECM - plus ECM itself... 20 seconds is a LONG time to sit without targeting in a fire-fight yet that ability to break locking is pretty crucial to its functionality and use. Leave that in there but provide ways to counter it - and potential counters to the counter...

Like I said - an odd view of a potential fix.

the point of ecm is that it is not predictable - making it predictable would be like putting wheels on a boat and calling it a car

it is not supposed to work like "the other ewar" because the idea is that all 4 ewar are substantial different, not just marginal


if its to strong, make it weaker - lower chance, change lockout time, adjust sensor strength of ships, adjust ship bonus

Buff ECCM to reduce the duration by some % for each fitted of the jammed time...

Let's say you fit a t2 ECCM that would result in jams only lasting 12.5 to 15 sec unlike the 20 sec we have now, that would make the eccm argument valid (we can talk about how much each eccm should reduce the jam, But the concept is still valid)

So join RvB and get all the solo PVP you want, whenever you want.

EVE's combat system is geared to fleets, like it or not. "Solo PVP" happens by accident or by ambush, rarely by design. In EVE, you don't get into duels -- you get into multi-ship engagements where balance and tactics mean more than raw firepower. It's just the way the game is designed.

So much trolling, alt posting, and e-peen in this thread.

Short story is that the devs know ECM is imbalanced. Fozzy, who seems to be the lead guy in the rebalance effort, has said e-war will get looked at in the Winter expansion. Details TBD.

In the meantime, buck up, fly things that can GTFO if need be, and accept that losing ships to lame situations is part of the price of soloing.

Edit PS: Don't listen to all the haters. Solo PvP has its place, and is one of the most satisfying activities in EVE.

ECM should reduce RoF, not prevent target lock: Discuss

They can't balance ECM.
I've been reading rage posts about it for 8 years.

Translation: CCP have no clue how to fix it.
Bring moar blob.