These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

So CCP, any comment on Plex Prices?

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Zhade Lezte
#101 - 2012-09-28 21:35:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhade Lezte
And oh so sorry OP, but this "nullsec zealot" doesn't really give a damn about your desire to keep my carefully thought out opinion out of the topic :P

I am interested in CCP's take on it, however.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#102 - 2012-09-28 22:19:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
James 315 wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?

I'm not at CCP, and I am a nullsec zealot screaming "nerf high sec!", but I'll answer anyway:

Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk. Smile

Shut Up whiner...

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If I don't have money to pay for my account, as I often do, I find that I'm going to have to unsubscribe.

I simply have no real incentive to keep playing the game if all I'm doing is PVE just to afford to play the game.

PLEX prices need to go down otherwise this is going to become an option that is completely unavailable to me and many other players.

Tough...Pay up or GTFO...Life costs money...

Kryss Darkdust wrote:
Gogela wrote:
I'll say one more thing about PLEX... and it's often lost in this debate but I think it's an important point. What is your time worth? If it takes more than 3 hours to make enough for a PLEX it's not worth it even if you are on minimum wage. I got the PLEX I needed to advance my sub a couple of years, but really looking back I'm almost sorry I did. I made a ton of isk doing market scams, and because zero effort was involved it seemed like an easy choice. But really... if I had to actually earn my ISK I'd just pay for the sub. I make more than minimum wage. It's not worth the time to grind. Str8 up yo. I'm here to have fun, and grinding to pay for my account doesn't sound like much fun.


Yeah I'm in the same boat. 15 bucks to me isn't even something I consider money, its nothing. I make that in roughly 10 minutes of work. When I poop at work in the morning, I make a PLEX. So spending a couple of hours grinding something in Eve to earn ISK for a PLEX is silly. I would be more likely to buy PLEX for real cash but I don't have economic problem in game any more than I have out of game so for the most part PLEX is irrelevant to me.

Yep me too. I pay cash for 6 accounts once a year with cash I make from my on-call funds. I make 8 Grand a year to be on-call and I hardly get called. No way I'm grinding for crummy PLEX...
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2012-09-28 22:54:06 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Tough...Pay up or GTFO...Life costs money...

And money is harder to come by for some of us.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#104 - 2012-09-29 00:38:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Souisa
Gogela wrote:
I know there's a lot of people that are going to take issue with me on this... but let me tell you what I think.

I think by Feb 1 2013 EvE is going to have well over a million accounts (DUST players coming in)

I think PLEX prices are going to be over 750 mil ea by mid December.

I think both of those estimates are conservative.

My advice? If you need PLEX to run your account... buy now. It's going to get crazy.


New players also means more potential providers of plex, and new players are not excactly likely to be making 500 million ISK a month either. If anything plex prices are going to fall because the new players will be selling PLEX rather than buying

o/
Selinate
#105 - 2012-09-29 00:53:23 UTC
Why should CCP step in for your sorry asses?

It's just 15$ a month. Pony up and pay.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#106 - 2012-09-29 01:32:02 UTC
Zhade Lezte wrote:
Gogela wrote:
I know there's a lot of people that are going to take issue with me on this... but let me tell you what I think.

I think by Feb 1 2013 EvE is going to have well over a million accounts (DUST players coming in)

I think PLEX prices are going to be over 750 mil ea by mid December.

I think both of those estimates are conservative.

My advice? If you need PLEX to run your account... buy now. It's going to get crazy.


This is an interesting take, though with the "buy now" at the end I highly suspect you're just a manip post in disguise.

It's only right if DUST players buy PLEX from CCP in less proportion than eve players, and since they're coming from a game with pay to win elements to EVE, they may be more likely to buy PLEX from CCP, driving costs down.
*snip*

For the record I have exactly zero PLEX at the moment. I don't invest in PLEX myself because when I get enough money to buy something I want I do it, which leaves me with only a bit of ISK to invest with... and small time investors like me can find far more lucrative and relatively "safe" things to put their ISK into. PLEX speculation and hedging is best done by the very rich. Personally, I don't care if PLEX is trading for a billion or 100 million. I was just saying what I think will happen.
Souisa wrote:

New players also means more potential providers of plex, and new players are not excactly likely to be making 500 million ISK a month either. If anything plex prices are going to fall because the new players will be selling PLEX rather than buying

That's a good point too... and coming from DUST they might be more likely to buy PLEX since they were buying aurum already in DUST.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2012-09-29 02:22:20 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Why should CCP step in for your sorry asses?

It's just 15$ a month. Pony up and pay.

Because they make more money per PLEX bought than per month of direct account subscription?
It's in their own best interest to keep the PLEX market healthy.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Hrothgar Nilsson
#108 - 2012-09-29 02:48:58 UTC
If PLEX it too expensive with regards to the time taken to acquire the ISK needed, just pay money. It's $0.50 per day.

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2012-09-29 02:54:59 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
If PLEX it too expensive with regards to the time taken to acquire the ISK needed, just pay money. It's $0.50 per day.


It's cheaper if you pay for 3 months at a time

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#110 - 2012-09-29 03:06:41 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
If PLEX it too expensive with regards to the time taken to acquire the ISK needed, just pay money. It's $0.50 per day.


Statement 1: Playing Eve costs 50 cents a day on a monthly subscription.

Statement 2: Feeding a starving child in Africa costs 40 cents a day.

Statement 3: Starving children in Africa, if they survive, grow up to be "Freedom Fighters".

Conclusion: EvE is responsible for unrest in Africa.


High Plex prices are bad for EvE economy (on topic statement to keep post from being deleted).
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2012-09-29 07:07:58 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
So what exactly does it take now a days to make enough isk to plex a single account with only one character?

Or have we reached a point where the price of plex has rendered that impossible.


At a somewhat conservative 35m an hour income, it would take roughly 20 hours to afford a PLEX - across a month. 4 weeks at 5 hours a week = 20 hours and there's your PLEX.

Does that read as impossible?

Doing it at 2 billion per PLEX, at a lower 25m an hour, and you come closer to the amount of time active players actually spend in the game -- 80 hours a month -- 20 hours a week. But that would be doing nothing but earning for that entire time and few do that.

Entirely based upon a single character with a single account.

PS: It's under 58 hours for 2 billion at the initial 35m estimate above.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2012-09-29 07:18:15 UTC
Plex prices will go down when WIS is finished and ordinary working class citizens join EvE and want to play casual "dress up barbie" and "I think I can pvp" while spending real life iskies.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
Amber Coldheart
Doomheim
#113 - 2012-09-29 07:22:31 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Plex prices will go down when WIS is finished and ordinary working class citizens join EvE and want to play casual "dress up barbie" and "I think I can pvp" while spending real life iskies.

Prices already seems to be lowering.

Yesterday, prices were over 570 mill in Jita and steadily rising. Now, its below 550 mill and looks to be slowly going down.

ah well, we'll see in a week, maybe someone dumped a metric ton of plexes onto the market or something :)
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2012-09-29 07:24:07 UTC
Amber Coldheart wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Plex prices will go down when WIS is finished and ordinary working class citizens join EvE and want to play casual "dress up barbie" and "I think I can pvp" while spending real life iskies.

Prices already seems to be lowering.

Yesterday, prices were over 570 mill in Jita and steadily rising. Now, its below 550 mill and looks to be slowly going down.

ah well, we'll see in a week, maybe someone dumped a metric ton of plexes onto the market or something :)

Naa... there is just that discounted PLEX weekend offer from CCP again. The prices will rocket after monday again.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
Amber Coldheart
Doomheim
#115 - 2012-09-29 07:50:00 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:

Naa... there is just that discounted PLEX weekend offer from CCP again. The prices will rocket after monday again.

ahhh, figured there had to be a reason for it :)
Selinate
#116 - 2012-09-29 09:48:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Selinate
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Why should CCP step in for your sorry asses?

It's just 15$ a month. Pony up and pay.

Because they make more money per PLEX bought than per month of direct account subscription?
It's in their own best interest to keep the PLEX market healthy.


Depends on your definition of healthy.

Healthy according to the OP? No. If I suddenly decide to buy 300 or 400 plex at Jita and just trash them all or go in a bestower and see how far I get and have the plex destroyed, then CCP will be loving that. It won't be good for any of you plexing players though.
Aaewen Hrothgarson
eXtreme Co
SLYCE Pirates
#117 - 2012-09-29 11:25:03 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Naturally, this thread will be hijacked by the null sec zealots screaming "nerf high sec!", but does anyone at CCP, who is not part of the null sec cadre, have any idea why plex prices are out of control, and have numbers to back it up?



That made me check.



Nope, still costs 19.95 Euro regularely. But there is a special offer for 17.40 Euro - still i wouldn't call a 13.4 % discount "out of control" ...
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#118 - 2012-09-29 12:03:16 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
Tough...Pay up or GTFO...Life costs money...

And money is harder to come by for some of us.

Absolutely... But then you gotta make choices....

Wanna play you gotta pay...
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-09-29 12:22:50 UTC
James 315 wrote:


Highsec PLEX'ers driving up the price with easy AFK mining isk. Smile


This.

I've been bored at EVE for a while, playing other games (Borderlands 2, Torchlight,...).
I don't think it's worth spending money on EVE when i'm not playing it, yet since i have 100+ SP characters i wish to keep training them.

So all i do is mining and buying plex, requires little effort and i'm not doing anything else anyway.
I imagine a lot of people get the same idea since the mining buff, more demand = increased plex price.

When mineral/isotope prices get low enough and plex high enough, there will be a time when people lose interest.
When that happens the economy adapts again by supply & demand, attracting players again.

Well played by CCP.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#120 - 2012-09-29 12:28:28 UTC
Valari Nala Zena wrote:
I don't think it's worth spending money on EVE when i'm not playing it, yet since i have 100+ SPcharacters i wish to keep training.


You go you!

This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.