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Dev blog: New Eden Open $10.000 Tournament

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Siobhan MacLeary
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#141 - 2012-09-28 23:14:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Siobhan MacLeary
Eiluvial wrote:
Sorry but the entrance format is ****.

What stops an entity from registering 32 teams to RMT 10000$ legally?


Because, you driveling idiot, they'd be banned from the competition for having multiple accounts/characters on multiple teams and would win absolutely nothing. Frankly, they'd likely be banned from EVE itself, too.

EDIT: I'm assuming "entity" refers to one single person, not a group of people.

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C C P
C C P Alliance
#142 - 2012-09-28 23:35:47 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
This will be fun to watch. The bans are a clever innovation. With each captain able to ban two ships, you can wipe out some entire ship classes if so inclined.

I'm surprised that it's even remarkable that CCP hopes to bring in more money than they pay out. That's how lotteries and raffles raise money, as well. After expenses, it probably won't even be that much.

Like Soundwave said, we don't plan on this bringing in money. Most of the comments here don't factor in how much a full scale production costs.

We want this to be engaging content for the community. If you compete or not, we want you to have fun!

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#143 - 2012-09-28 23:37:06 UTC
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
Eiluvial wrote:
Sorry but the entrance format is ****.

What stops an entity from registering 32 teams to RMT 10000$ legally?


Because, you driveling idiot, they'd be banned from the competition for having multiple accounts/characters on multiple teams and would win absolutely nothing. Frankly, they'd likely be banned from EVE itself, too.

EDIT: I'm assuming "entity" refers to one single person, not a group of people.

I think he meant an alliance enters 32 teams so they can RMT their moon goo isk.

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Radgette
EVE Irn Bru Distribution
#144 - 2012-09-29 01:00:26 UTC
the reason "esports" work in these other games is that the winner is decided by skill and strategy.

unless you plan on giving every entrant an all 5's character how can you say it's a fair match, all those little 2%'s and 5%'s add up, especially on things like falloff, mwd speed to name but a few.

so you could be a pretty good pvper but your hampered by time spent subbed to eve. which also comes into the plex to enter equasion altho you can just buy isk and plex you can't buy SP ( yes ofc you could buy a char on the bazaar ), but that once again makes the competition only for the rich ingame or out of game

yes ofc you want to make it a good show, but wheres the tournaments for the not so rich or old eve characters :P
Kumq uat
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2012-09-29 01:12:12 UTC
Radgette wrote:
the reason "esports" work in these other games is that the winner is decided by skill and strategy.

unless you plan on giving every entrant an all 5's character how can you say it's a fair match, all those little 2%'s and 5%'s add up, especially on things like falloff, mwd speed to name but a few.

so you could be a pretty good pvper but your hampered by time spent subbed to eve. which also comes into the plex to enter equasion altho you can just buy isk and plex you can't buy SP ( yes ofc you could buy a char on the bazaar ), but that once again makes the competition only for the rich ingame or out of game

yes ofc you want to make it a good show, but wheres the tournaments for the not so rich or old eve characters :P



Make your own with a sp cap. Maybe CCP can make one as like a halftime show. Like pee-wee football played at half time in a pro game.
Gogela
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#146 - 2012-09-29 01:25:43 UTC
I think this is an awesome idea. Just awesome.

You know what we need now, right? A 23/7 EvE streaming TV station that you can pipe into your captains quarters.

It's going to happen. Wait and see. Big smile

Think about how many DUST players would come into EvE if they were watching EvE tournaments in there dirty ground pounder quarters.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#147 - 2012-09-29 02:48:07 UTC
This is only really cool untill you crunch the numbers

We can assume that a winning team has 20-24 players taking some part in this tournament through theory crafting and practicing and so forth..

So in the end the price would be 6000/20 - tax = :(


I just don't think this is enough of an incentive for corps to throw all those plexes into it and all that effort for that, it hardly seems worth it.

I love the idea but, i just don't think this will produce anything near the AT level of competition.

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#148 - 2012-09-29 03:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Radgette wrote:
the reason "esports" work in these other games is that the winner is decided by skill and strategy.

unless you plan on giving every entrant an all 5's character how can you say it's a fair match, all those little 2%'s and 5%'s add up, especially on things like falloff, mwd speed to name but a few.

so you could be a pretty good pvper but your hampered by time spent subbed to eve. which also comes into the plex to enter equasion altho you can just buy isk and plex you can't buy SP ( yes ofc you could buy a char on the bazaar ), but that once again makes the competition only for the rich ingame or out of game

yes ofc you want to make it a good show, but wheres the tournaments for the not so rich or old eve characters :P


If you missed the message... the entry cost is 20B ISK.

If you can afford 20B ISK, then you're probably *not* in a situation where your skill points is an issue.

Where I am.

Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2012-09-29 03:54:26 UTC
inb4 forum rage.
Wish i was good and won some money, $1000 would = new computer and thus more eve, maybe even another account
WarpToMe AtZero
Sodium Chloride Mining Logistics
Wardec Dis
#150 - 2012-09-29 04:01:58 UTC  |  Edited by: WarpToMe AtZero
I'll just put this here from reddit/r/eve ...

DeadGuyAle:
Because this is an auction for a slot to play, 20 Plex is the minimum bid. So if you are rich you are assured a spot to play.
Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporations.
By having this an auction and not a lottery, they are still excluding a vast portion of EVE players. Why not auction off 28 spots and lottery off the last 4. (Or some other number, Call them wild cards) That way the space rich get in and those who are good but living in a cardboard box in a station get a chance also. Just my .02 Isk.

Femaref
Been that way the last time as well and there have been enough small alliances that participated.

danzilla007
Lotteries are no bueno. Auctions assure that those who actually get in are serious about it, and deliver on those expectations.
I think most people understand that while it may seem unfair to only allow the space rich, the reality is that tournament play requires the participants to be space-rich in order to put on a good show.

DeadGuyAle
That just sounds elitist....I'm not asking for all slots be a lottery.... Hell not even half. If you have the ISK cool you get to play. If not ... Go screw yourself. Right? that's what you are saying. 20 plex if you win a lottery spot is to much to ask to get the common man in.
By doing an auction ONLY they are excluding a vast portion of the EVE population. ONLY the rich will be able to participate. But its nice to know only the space rich can put on a good show. Heaven forbid an underdog play with the blue bloods.
Let them eat CAKE....
Ohhh and I am space ehhhh .. And would get the same result undocking in Jita with 20 plex in a rookie ship,(blown up and out 20 plex) so I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just calling it as I see it. CCP is sucking up Plexs, own3d.tv sucking up advertising dollars and the common EVE player is just sucking it. Or just **** out of luck.
WarpToMe AtZero
Sodium Chloride Mining Logistics
Wardec Dis
#151 - 2012-09-29 04:19:30 UTC  |  Edited by: WarpToMe AtZero
Bloodpetal wrote:
Radgette wrote:
the reason "esports" work in these other games is that the winner is decided by skill and strategy.

unless you plan on giving every entrant an all 5's character how can you say it's a fair match, all those little 2%'s and 5%'s add up, especially on things like falloff, mwd speed to name but a few.

so you could be a pretty good pvper but your hampered by time spent subbed to eve. which also comes into the plex to enter equasion altho you can just buy isk and plex you can't buy SP ( yes ofc you could buy a char on the bazaar ), but that once again makes the competition only for the rich ingame or out of game

yes ofc you want to make it a good show, but wheres the tournaments for the not so rich or old eve characters :P


If you missed the message... the entry cost is 20B ISK.

If you can afford 20B ISK, then you're probably *not* in a situation where your skill points is an issue.



lol 20 billion ISK is the minimum for the entry fee. May only the King and Queens fight in this battle. (or their proxies)

The common EVE player will be relegated to the nose bleed section of the arena. Yeah, you are screwed if you are in a small, poor, group that does PVP well.. (i.e. Pirates) Get back to the fields you 2nd class pesents. Get back to work. We need your taxes not your skills.
WarpToMe AtZero
Sodium Chloride Mining Logistics
Wardec Dis
#152 - 2012-09-29 04:31:57 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
This is only really cool untill you crunch the numbers

We can assume that a winning team has 20-24 players taking some part in this tournament through theory crafting and practicing and so forth..

So in the end the price would be 6000/20 - tax = :(


I just don't think this is enough of an incentive for corps to throw all those plexes into it and all that effort for that, it hardly seems worth it.

I love the idea but, i just don't think this will produce anything near the AT level of competition.



Of course it will produce..... $10,000+ for CCP in plex and, as I have read more than $10,000 in advertising revenue for own3d.tv or why else would they have offered to do this for the *cough* privileged of EVE.
Gogela
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#153 - 2012-09-29 04:37:33 UTC
WarpToMe AtZero wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
This is only really cool untill you crunch the numbers

We can assume that a winning team has 20-24 players taking some part in this tournament through theory crafting and practicing and so forth..

So in the end the price would be 6000/20 - tax = :(


I just don't think this is enough of an incentive for corps to throw all those plexes into it and all that effort for that, it hardly seems worth it.

I love the idea but, i just don't think this will produce anything near the AT level of competition.



Of course it will produce..... $10,000+ for CCP in plex and, as I have read more than $10,000 in advertising revenue for own3d.tv or why else would they have offered to do this for the *cough* privileged of EVE.

So what? Who cares how they do it? It's just cool that third parties are interested in doing it at all. Yah I'd like to see the alliance tournament become more inclusive, but 3rd parties can do what they like.

This tournament is better than no tournament... is what I'm saying. It's just cool.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

WarpToMe AtZero
Sodium Chloride Mining Logistics
Wardec Dis
#154 - 2012-09-29 04:43:25 UTC  |  Edited by: WarpToMe AtZero
Gogela wrote:
WarpToMe AtZero wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
This is only really cool untill you crunch the numbers

We can assume that a winning team has 20-24 players taking some part in this tournament through theory crafting and practicing and so forth..

So in the end the price would be 6000/20 - tax = :(


I just don't think this is enough of an incentive for corps to throw all those plexes into it and all that effort for that, it hardly seems worth it.

I love the idea but, i just don't think this will produce anything near the AT level of competition.



Of course it will produce..... $10,000+ for CCP in plex and, as I have read more than $10,000 in advertising revenue for own3d.tv or why else would they have offered to do this for the *cough* privileged of EVE.

So what? Who cares how they do it? It's just cool that third parties are interested in doing it at all. Yah I'd like to see the alliance tournament become more inclusive, but 3rd parties can do what they like.

This tournament is better than no tournament... is what I'm saying. It's just cool.



I am sure England applauds you. Or hell, even the Romans. They became more inclusive when the lions ate the slaves. Let there be games........... The slaves did make the games, games.... right.
Gogela
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#155 - 2012-09-29 04:52:38 UTC
WarpToMe AtZero wrote:

I am sure England applauds you. Or hell, even the Romans. They became more inclusive when the lions ate the slaves. Let there be games........... The slaves did make the games, games.... right.

wat

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Pipa Porto
#156 - 2012-09-29 05:18:28 UTC
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#157 - 2012-09-29 06:10:47 UTC
I don't like the ban system for EVE

It's in moba tournaments because those games have glaring balance holes and and people use the same characters that have OP skills that make the game boring. In EVE everything has a good counter. I'd rather see the best setups vs the best.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#158 - 2012-09-29 07:35:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mai Khumm
Sounds like a great idea, but I do hope that CCP will divide the prizes...

I can see alot of issues if it's given to the Team Leader to divide....
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#159 - 2012-09-29 08:24:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Linking RL money&rewards to ingame stuff might very well be Pandora's box, something you really shouldn't want to mess with. In the future it would be a great way to legitimise RMT with for example. Also, if there's a direct link to ingame actions and RL money that could spark a whole new discussion about legal issues regarding ingame items and their RL worth especially in a game like EVE where scamming is an accepted playstyle, and ofcourse taxation.

Not sure CCP should want to head in that direction.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2012-09-29 09:33:45 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
CCP: Sponsoring RMT since 2012.
Are we still shitting up the thread with tinfoil?