EVE General Discussion

Nope. I'm using the “don't break fundamental mechanics that make the game far more balanced and interesting in order to solve absolutely nothing” argument.

Not quite. It's ok to get stuff that was generated using the game mechanics that balance this generation, and it's not ok to get stuff that wasn't generated using these mechanics — and paying for it doesn't make it ok. In fact, if anything, paying for the ability to skip game mechanics just makes it worse.

SP remapping solves nothing and breaks stuff. That alone means it's a horrid idea. When you realise exactly what it breaks, it quickly skips ahead from merely horrid and straight into being apocalyptically and abominably bad…

Just something that came to my mind as I read this part.

If someone wants to go from market and industry to combat, he can already do so. Well, he has to start with the small ships in the worst case, true.
But if the only reason to change to combat pilot is to fly a specific ship type (carriers in this example), and this person becomes unable to do what they previously could do, wouldn't he just quickly get bored again with this one ship?

And if he enjoys other combat activities, too, it doesn't matter when he has to build their combat skills the normal way, since he can do useful and fun stuff early on while training for the rest.
Isn't that even, from what I've read, one of the strong points your corporation/alliance is proud of?
Making it possible for combat newbies to do something, to have fun, despite their relatively low SP.

And more likely than not he would have at least some skills useful for his new career trained already, too.

terrible idea and entirely unnecessary: I'm already beautiful

A comment on the remap for plex thing.

With high SP characters a dime a dozen in the bazaar there is no need for it. Now if CCP did what they should have from the beginning and lock characters to the acct that created them, there might be some reason to argue for it. But I wouldn't. I like the whole ' consequences for actions' concept. Sadly, that concept went out the window and was replaced with 'cash for characters'.

But more on topic. What I would like to see is the ability to simply delete skills I don't want. My older characters started with 800k SP in skills that I had no choice over and just because I'm anal enough to like a clean character sheet, I'd like to delete some of them. I'd pay a PLEX to do that. And it's in no way an advantage or a game breaker. It's just tidying up a skill sheet.

Mr Epeen

That's you're resculpt?

What were you before, an Amarr Slave Dog?

Do you think that being able to spend 2.5 billion ISK worth of plex to move 5 million SP around would break the game?


You can buy a 10m SP character on the bazaar fior 7 billion ISK.

Does moving 10m SP for 5b ISK in plex give you an advantage over someone who simply buys the character?
I am of the opinion it is not. What adverse effects to GAMEPLAY would it cause?

How does, you didn't train that specific skill even though you did spend the time to train A skill, effect the actual gameplay?

Someone wants to tell me that it's crap because of lore, from an RP perspective, I would totally understand that.

However, I think moving 10m SP is very trivial. You can ignore it's existance, just like you can ignore the bazaar.


Pretend shitting on the goon name isn't pase. How about everyone else?

You skiped one.

Addressing the general case takes care of the specific case. The answer remains the same: it removes the point of having attributes. It removes attribute implants from the game. It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups. It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character. It removes planning and choice and consequences. It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas. It kills character trading. It massively boosts older characters over new ones. It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.

So no, it was covered in full.

Close, but not quite. You can buy a character in any configuration the seller wants. You have no input. You also add no abilities to your character in doing so. If you want new abilities, you still have to spend time getting them and no amount of character trading will overcome this.

It's not a detail. It's a vast yawning chasm of difference with completely separate outcomes.

In one case, time (and money) has been spent to build a character, which is a completely separate entity that does not alter what your existing character can and cannot do, nor does your existing character alter what the new one can and cannot do.
In the other, no time would be spent (and quite likely no money either) to alter an existing character.

In particular, the “detail” as you call it is what ensures that new players and vets are on the same playing field and which ensures that SP is a completely pointless stat (beyond determining your clone cost). This lack of meaning is a good thing that needs to be left alone.

Ignore the actual details all you like, it doesn't change the fact that SP remapping would introduce a time skip mechanic that removes crucial core parts of the game.

Yes: cash for a character, not for SP (be they new or repurposed). That is a very important difference right there, because it's what separates a case of using the existing mechanics to generate abilities and skipping the existing mechanics.

No. Buying a character doesn't let Ruby fly a carrier. S/He has to wait for it or fly with a completely different character (which did indeed need time to get that ability) which most likely will lack some of the skills that Ruby has.

Also, that separate ability you buy with a second character had to be grown over time rather than instantly conjured into existence.