EVE General Discussion

I miss Curzon

Ohh come now, abuse of that sort is not required, nor needed.

Edited for clarity because without it this has no context.

Ive wardecced high sec miners before. Ive seen it all. Dock and log off for a week, corp hop, dec shield and actually continue to mine and die in droves. The way the war dec mechanics are and the barge buff, which was needed in a lot of ways, are currently theres no good way in high sec to engage if you dont want to be engaged.

If the stripping of belts in high sec is what drives conflict thats fine, but I dont see it happening minus ice belts. Ice is the limiting factor in high sec as well as null sec. You simply cannot mine ice you cant reach and the differing POSs need the dif isos. If any conflict is created form mining in high sec it should be an increase in low ends and slight decrease in middle ore amounts keeping the boring dry but intensely necessary low end pipe open, cant screw super and cap production too much without a massive amount of low ends or drive people to actually mine low end ores in null to make up the difference ( though that will be a fine balancing act now that gun mining is gone), and then create the POS infrastructure issue as a conflict driver over ice. The issue is the numbers of dif POSs around New Eden and the distribution spectrum there, in high, low and null. EAch POS has a different value to different people. Another issue would be with the new POS work. As if ice becomes a huge conflict driver in some way then POS and other isotope users will feel the pinch ( caps and jfs here included) and with the spread of the different POS types for different measures there might be an interesting facet in the ratio of usage/distribution and fuel. The new POSs of course could change this with components needing different fuel perhaps beyond the initial POS tower making the tower generic or any isos while components added would require certain fuel but I think thatd add undue headache again to fuelers.

Its a very neat dynamic due to the racial distribution of ice and isotopes and how theyre needed throughout New Eden. This imo would be easier to drive conflict.

But a better look at the numbers that CCP has would be needed to truly see where a nice tight pinch could be put on things to drive value and competition.


Oh and as a side note. Bumping is truly griefing simply because theres no way around it. Its not extortion its griefing just as the frieghter bumping is griefing. Unfortunately I do understand why its come to pass due to the buff and that now theres not much a single person can do to stop unwanted mining. The ironic fact is that this is supposed to be a group game and now that the only solution is a group function you see lone individuals being the bumpers just as lone individuals were the gankers. I actually prefered ganking as it DID something and caused destruction as well as there is a way to protect yourself. I dont mind something as long as with some thought you can counter it. Bumping a mack has no counter just as perma bumping a freighter has none. James315 will hate me for saying it but there it goes, from both a ganker and a miner.

Yes, it is totally unheard of for distinct areas to provide protection for miners, while in other areas the resources go to whomever is the most daring and/or powerful.

Oh, unless you compare North America to the Congo.

Or say Russia to the Amazon.

Lo/null sec dweller wishing for more freedom in hi-sec is like a Somali pirate wanting to be able to hi-jack ships in view of the Statue of Liberty. In other words, keep dreaming.

We tried to help but you guys whined and got the tank buff.

So the gank boats sitting on the jita undock or coming into Jita, perimeter or any of the pipelines that are .9 and 1.0 systems are???

Thats your Somali pirate sitting on the main drag of any city and blowing up Loomis armored trucks with RPGs daily. Now sure, this is Eve and everywhere is unsafe granted, but yet this is exactly whats happening.








On the mining barge changes. All that occured is taking a WAY to defenseless target that was getting killed by something far to cheap and easily skilled into and made it a bit harder to do so. Its still possible just not in the droves it was before. Imo the only real losers here were the Mackinaw BPO holders, the goons didnt loose much as Tech was getting nerfed anyway with ring mining coming out as well as alchemy, and the "solo" gankers that now have to gang up lost out on their super easy, great isk efficiency, way to lopsided isk damage kills. No harm done there.

Also, remember that thing called comet mining we were supposed to get 5 years ago? Maybe in another 5 years they'll implement it... Maybe

Maybe because I haven't broken any rules, or...?

It won't get implemented umtil a new pasive income is set up for null because the space rich CSM & thier NULL SEC overlord directors will claim the player base doesnot want it even though NULL is a minority of Eve.

Not really, no. Bots don't care about time zones, and EU players don't play right after downtime.