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How to fix FW?

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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#1 - 2012-09-28 23:13:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Souisa
Hello,

There is no PVP in faction warfare anymore? People seem to join just to solo pvp, solo mission or solo plex, and then eventually agreeing on a time to push for tier5.

Shouldnt LP be gotten from forming fleets, roaming about, and basically doing PVP related activites? What would happen if LP's from plexes was not split, but everyone got the same amount regardless of how many was inside.

CCP was probably worried people would blob up on the objectives, but isnt that the point? If LP wasnt split, the only problem i see is that there could be LP inflation, which means LP store items would become more accesible but thats not a problem per say.

If it wasnt split, at least forming fleets would not be disincentivized. Plexing with randoms wouldnt matter and militia fleets could become more frequent

o/

Souisa
Subhypersonics
#2 - 2012-09-28 23:30:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Souisa
What i mean is PVP seems to be very isolated, its not as common as youd think. Especially not on a medium/large scale

o/

Pasta OfDoom
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-09-28 23:55:26 UTC
I think the real issue with FW is the obscene amount of money made off it...but that's just me.
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#4 - 2012-09-28 23:57:02 UTC
Nothing wrong with making lots of money, as long as its not **** easy

o/

Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-09-29 00:00:58 UTC
And people thought incursions were bad.........get yours before the fix this winter.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#6 - 2012-09-29 00:12:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
imo
1. Get rid of LP in FW.
2. Create an FW-LP
3. Create an FW-LP store.
4. Make the FW-LP store the same as the LP store but all items non-transferable (like military issue in the true sense).
5. Get FW-LP for defense as well as offense.
6. Sit back and watch the universe burn!

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#7 - 2012-09-29 00:50:20 UTC
Webvan wrote:
imo
1. Get rid of LP in FW.
2. Create an FW-LP
3. Create an FW-LP store.
4. Make the FW-LP store the same as the LP store but all items non-transferable (like military issue in the true sense).
5. Get FW-LP for defense as well as offense.
6. Sit back and watch the universe burn!


But is that the popular thing to do? Not when the majority of FW players are there just to PLEX their accounts for the next 10 years. f2p ftw! and people that like great fw systems be damned.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Souisa
Subhypersonics
#8 - 2012-09-29 00:51:21 UTC
Most people in FW seem pretty mature about it. Even they think the money is too easy

o/

ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#9 - 2012-09-29 00:55:12 UTC
Hi,

Please refrain some simply posting 'Wat','What' or variations thereof - It's not constructive!

If you dislike an idea then say why instead of posting an incredulous remark, please Pirate

Fake edit: Constructive why's only!

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Ch3244
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-09-29 01:10:54 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Hi,

Please refrain some simply posting 'Wat','What' or variations thereof - It's not constructive!

If you dislike an idea then say why instead of posting an incredulous remark, please Pirate

Fake edit: Constructive why's only!

well you have added nothing constructive to this thread.

i think they should keep thje fw system the way it is but perhaps not letting new characters go at FW right away(so i have less competition ahahahahaahahah)
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#11 - 2012-09-29 01:18:38 UTC
People will only use a feature if it pays more than it costs. People use FW because it pays more than it costs. It will only be used as long as the payoff is more than the investment. Take that away, and FW will once again be as desolate as it was before the LP changes were introduced.

The point is, this feature can't be fixed while the system is entirely automated. Clearly, FW having the potential to result in a profit is a prerequisite for its usage. However, while this is so, people will continue to use alts to farm money. The only way to fix this would be to add a human oversight element to the whole thing, which in real life is usually done by the governments of states who are at war. There have been/currently are exceptions, but in general governments are pretty strict about their own constituents playing both sides of a conflict. Maybe when the four militias start court-martialing their own members for colluding with their enemies, then things will change. Assuming the alt problem can be fixed, of course.

I have a character in Amarr FW, and the current state of things is absolutely sickening. I don't even log it in anymore, and the only reason I haven't sold it is because CCP promised to fix the system this winter.

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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#12 - 2012-09-29 01:28:04 UTC
Ch3244 wrote:

well you have added nothing constructive to this thread.

i think they should keep thje fw system the way it is but perhaps not letting new characters go at FW right away(so i have less competition ahahahahaahahah)


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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#13 - 2012-09-29 03:39:47 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Most people in FW seem pretty mature about it. Even they think the money is too easy

Yeah that's why I said "majority" and not all. Absolutely true, I usually find FW players the most mature pvp players in such games. I created this char for FW, and eventually will enlist him at ~2m SP (couple more split training cycles). Actually the main reason I quit cycling through trial accounts was to join in FW, though it was far more broken during my trials than it is now, but now it's just broken in a different way. But when I say "majority" I'm speaking on the players that only join to farm sp/isk. It was a problem before the changes I know, and even more so now.

ISD Suvetar wrote:
Hi,

Please refrain some simply posting 'Wat','What' or variations thereof - It's not constructive!

Wat?
No, yeah, thanks, I had no idea how to reply to her "wat?".
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
People will only use a feature if it pays more than it costs. People use FW because it pays more than it costs. It will only be used as long as the payoff is more than the investment. Take that away, and FW will once again be as desolate as it was before the LP changes were introduced.

That's why they should ditch LP for factions and make a new point and store system. Still getting some isk out of missions or whatnot, but equipment should be rewarded for pvp participation and fully supported apart form some players that are so bad they must be trying to fail on purpose.

Heck, on that system, I'd even submit my main for some time to get a couple faction BS's. I'd get no real ISK for my main, but a few nice BS's that I couldn't sell would be worth the FW time. Usable outside FW, just not able to sell them nor insure. So you would still get players coming into FW, but for different reasons. And not to mention, other games that had good FW were not dead by far.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-09-29 03:42:00 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Ch3244 wrote:

well you have added nothing constructive to this thread.

i think they should keep thje fw system the way it is but perhaps not letting new characters go at FW right away(so i have less competition ahahahahaahahah)


I have performed my mandated job as a member of the CCL team; if you have a complaint then please feel free to use the Report button or raise a petition under the 'Other -> Community' category.

Please take note however, that discussing moderation is not allowed on these forums.

Thanks again.


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