EVE General Discussion

Hello,

There is no PVP in faction warfare anymore? People seem to join just to solo pvp, solo mission or solo plex, and then eventually agreeing on a time to push for tier5.

Shouldnt LP be gotten from forming fleets, roaming about, and basically doing PVP related activites? What would happen if LP's from plexes was not split, but everyone got the same amount regardless of how many was inside.

CCP was probably worried people would blob up on the objectives, but isnt that the point? If LP wasnt split, the only problem i see is that there could be LP inflation, which means LP store items would become more accesible but thats not a problem per say.

If it wasnt split, at least forming fleets would not be disincentivized. Plexing with randoms wouldnt matter and militia fleets could become more frequent

I think the real issue with FW is the obscene amount of money made off it...but that's just me.

And people thought incursions were bad.........get yours before the fix this winter.

But is that the popular thing to do? Not when the majority of FW players are there just to PLEX their accounts for the next 10 years. f2p ftw! and people that like great fw systems be damned.

Hi,

Please refrain some simply posting 'Wat','What' or variations thereof - It's not constructive!

If you dislike an idea then say why instead of posting an incredulous remark, please

Fake edit: Constructive why's only!

People will only use a feature if it pays more than it costs. People use FW because it pays more than it costs. It will only be used as long as the payoff is more than the investment. Take that away, and FW will once again be as desolate as it was before the LP changes were introduced.

The point is, this feature can't be fixed while the system is entirely automated. Clearly, FW having the potential to result in a profit is a prerequisite for its usage. However, while this is so, people will continue to use alts to farm money. The only way to fix this would be to add a human oversight element to the whole thing, which in real life is usually done by the governments of states who are at war. There have been/currently are exceptions, but in general governments are pretty strict about their own constituents playing both sides of a conflict. Maybe when the four militias start court-martialing their own members for colluding with their enemies, then things will change. Assuming the alt problem can be fixed, of course.

I have a character in Amarr FW, and the current state of things is absolutely sickening. I don't even log it in anymore, and the only reason I haven't sold it is because CCP promised to fix the system this winter.

Yeah that's why I said "majority" and not all. Absolutely true, I usually find FW players the most mature pvp players in such games. I created this char for FW, and eventually will enlist him at ~2m SP (couple more split training cycles). Actually the main reason I quit cycling through trial accounts was to join in FW, though it was far more broken during my trials than it is now, but now it's just broken in a different way. But when I say "majority" I'm speaking on the players that only join to farm sp/isk. It was a problem before the changes I know, and even more so now.


Wat?
No, yeah, thanks, I had no idea how to reply to her "wat?".

That's why they should ditch LP for factions and make a new point and store system. Still getting some isk out of missions or whatnot, but equipment should be rewarded for pvp participation and fully supported apart form some players that are so bad they must be trying to fail on purpose.

Heck, on that system, I'd even submit my main for some time to get a couple faction BS's. I'd get no real ISK for my main, but a few nice BS's that I couldn't sell would be worth the FW time. Usable outside FW, just not able to sell them nor insure. So you would still get players coming into FW, but for different reasons. And not to mention, other games that had good FW were not dead by far.