EVE General Discussion

You have access to the exact same resources and ISK I have.

That's a wonderful charity you're running though. Helping down kids look smart is very unique. Good on you!

Being able to adjust your SP every few months wouldn't be game breaking. You wouldn't be getting more SP, and it would be a way for long time players who may want to try something new to do so without having to worry about months of trainng to do so.

Imagine a guy who spent the last couple of years just training market and indy skills. He's reaching that point were he's kind of bored with building and selling, and he wants to try flying combat instead. He's got the point needed that he could fly a cap ship if he wanted, but the points in other places. He spends a couple of plexes, reallocates his points into the skills needed to fly a carreir or something. He can't really build or continue doing market stuff, but he can fly the carrier. He didn't spend months waiting to do it, and he's still playing.

Some people quit because they don't want to wait several months to do something they previously couldn't after playing a couple of years. This is a way to retain people.

Eventually you would reach a point were a service like this isn't even worth it due to the number of SP you have. Eventually you can pretty much do what you wanted.

I could see this also being 1 plex = X million skill points. Like say a plex every 1m SP. That way it's enough to usefull to move around SP in skills that don't actually have a heavy SP req. and expensive enough that people who want to go hog wild would have to spend a lot of money to do so.

And once every 3 months would be a heavy wait period for such a service.


Please feel free to explain how it would "break" the game. Even better, how does this "break" the game, but charaters sales have been in for years and hasn't broken anything. This is the same thing, only those people who only want to play with one account can benefit the same way as people who buy characters for alt accounts, and make CCP money at the same time.

You are mistaken, I do not have access to the same resources that someone who is part of a 9,231 member alliance has, and I probably never will. Please keep this in mind next time you consider expressing a game destroying idea such as wealthy players being able to purchase SP four times a year.

So does the fact that the Service is for PLEX instead of Aurum indicat that you've realized that people hate aurum enough that you'd likely get fewer takers?

Something like this should be offered for aurum, then it wouldn't necessarily cost $20 for a video game nose job, but instead only five or ten of that $20. CCP would still get the $20 plex sale, but at the same time the customer might feel that they are getting a better deal since they would have aurum left over after their avatar's nose job.

I'm sorry but I disagree.


I see no difference between me being able to spend 8b on a 25m skillpoint character, or me being able to spend 60b to move the 10 sp I've accumulated. Both options will let me fly something other then a **** fit frigate because my skill points are literally all invested in market, science, and indy skills.

My character isn't unique, the dime a dozen tengu characters on the bazaar sure aren't.

It doesn't remove planing and choice, because you still need to train the skills in order to reallocate them.

You can't move SP you don't have.

1 plex per 1m SP would make character buying for large skill point changes the most affordable way of doing it by a mile. Both if you purchased the plex and sold for ISK or if you used ISK to buy the plex, buying a character would be more affordable at that cost.

Then what are they doing with the revenue from subs,toon tranfers, plexs, etc?????? Wait spent it all on BUST911

Feel free to. It won't change the fact that it fundamentally alters how the game works and outright removes a number of mechanics and balance decisions — specifically ones that keep the game from being a very bad one.

The difference is that the 25M SP character can only exist if someone has put in the year and a half required to build one; that it takes that time because it has to rely on its attributes in various (and often suboptimal) combinations; that it might not match your specs; that it will have a bunch of skills that you might not actually need; that once you get it, you have a new, separate, different character. If you want to do something else with it, you have to spend more time and money to tweak it further. The SP count itself is irrelevant — what matters is what skills you have.

If you were allowed to move your own SP around, none of that would be relevant. You would effectively have infinite SP with zero expenditure of time. Your character would no longer be the combinations of skills it has, acquired painfully by manipulating the combinations of attributes it has — it would just be a pile of nondescript SP that could be put into whatever was needed for the moment. The more SP you have, the more you can move around to do whatever you want, and the skills you have right now are irrelevant. It's the exact opposite situation to how it works now, and it means that new players are ******. They don't have enough SP to move around (nor the ISK to do so), and anything they might try to exploit a weakness in your skill selection can and will be countered by you instantly patching that weakness.

Right now, if you have a 25M character, you have that one specific 25M character, and nothing else. If you want another, you have to build another, which means spending another 18 months. With SP remaps, once you have 25M SP, you have all 25M SP characters imaginable, immediately.

No. It removes planning and choice because all you need is SP — when you figure out what you need, you assign them. You no no longer have to think about what you will get in a month's or a year's time, once all those prereqs are trained (assuming that nothing pops up that needs to be trained immediately). Your “planning” now becomes “oh, I'll remap 32/26 in int/mem and always train science skills — that way I accumulate SP the fastest so i always have the largest pile possible to remap”. The only way to limit this is to make it so prohibitively expensive that no-one will ever use it, which means it was pretty stupid to implement to begin with.


Again, it solves absolutely nothing and only manages to ruin, obsolete, and circumvent so many core mechanics and game balances that it is — literally — game-breaking.

Any situation.

The game is set up so that, if you want 3M SP in something, you spend 1-2 months to get it, and during those months, you are not able to get any other SP you might be interested in. As a result, at the end of those months, you might find that the SP are a waste for what you currently need, and it's time to train what you really want… or it might just be exactly what you needed, and now you have a head start on the opponent who picked Astronautic Engineering V instead.

Moving 3M SP breaks this balance. It means you just got those months almost for free — you just dumped some irrelevant skills that you had no use for anyway and off you go. When a new situation comes up where you could use those 3M SP for something else, you once again don't have to spend a month and a half to get to where you want. Just plunk down the cash and skip ahead.

The fundamental problem with SP remapping is that it circumvents the one thing that has any value whatsoever in the game: time. This alone would make it immensely destructive and require pretty much a complete redesign to cope with the balance issues that would arise.


Also, if you believe it's “just like character trading”, then just go trade a character… after all, it does what you want already, right? Right?

No it is not Tippia. It's set up so that if I want 25m SP in something I go buy them. You don't buy a character, you buy the SP, period. No one posts a character name for sale, they post the skill points, because that's what you're selling.

I decide one day the indy stuff is boring, I'm more likely to quit than I am to spend the next couple of years respecializing my character, or I might go to the bazaar and buy the SP I want instead. I woldn't buy the character though, I would quit because I want my character. A lot of people do that.

It's ok for you to say, "you ****** up trainging, oh well" but that's a horrible attittude for the game to manatain.

You guys are sayign exactly what people people were saying about CCP supported character sales. It'll break the game, people won't have to train, it defeats the point of the game mechanics.

Yet it worked for the bazaar and you guys think a much slimmer version of that would break something.