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ECM is Killing Solo PvP
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#21 - 2012-09-28 20:32:33 UTC
I don't think it's intended for you to be able to fit a single ship to be able to counter all the possible hazards you might encounter.

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Pipa Porto
#22 - 2012-09-28 20:47:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Doyey3731 wrote:
Well not that alone, but it's certainly playing it's part.

I like going out for a roam alone and losing a ship. I'm not into the whole large gang stuff, been there done that. So I like going out, knowing I'm going to die but try and get a kill or two before I do.


So you're saying that you're bad at picking your targets, and that people who bring friends, are prepared, and pick their targets well shouldn't be able to kill you without losses?

By the way, a Scimitar would be able to render your guns ineffective just as easily (while being ~50km away).

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-09-28 20:51:44 UTC
I guess Eve does allow you to play how ever you want. But I just don't understand why people put so much stock in "Solo PvP" in a "massively multiplayer" game.

Get some friends to even the odds, even if they just also fly ECM ships to get you out of fights you don't think are fair.
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#24 - 2012-09-28 20:52:37 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Doyey3731 wrote:
Well not that alone, but it's certainly playing it's part.

I like going out for a roam alone and losing a ship. I'm not into the whole large gang stuff, been there done that. So I like going out, knowing I'm going to die but try and get a kill or two before I do.


So you're saying that you're bad at picking your targets, and that people who bring friends, are prepared, and pick their targets well shouldn't be able to kill you without losses?

By the way, a Scimitar would be able to render your guns ineffective just as easily (while being ~50km away).


:) at least with the scimitar you can still fire your guns... perhaps alpha a frig or similar.
While being jammed and scrammed you can only sit and look as you die slowly

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Pipa Porto
#25 - 2012-09-28 21:02:56 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Doyey3731 wrote:
Well not that alone, but it's certainly playing it's part.

I like going out for a roam alone and losing a ship. I'm not into the whole large gang stuff, been there done that. So I like going out, knowing I'm going to die but try and get a kill or two before I do.


So you're saying that you're bad at picking your targets, and that people who bring friends, are prepared, and pick their targets well shouldn't be able to kill you without losses?

By the way, a Scimitar would be able to render your guns ineffective just as easily (while being ~50km away).


:) at least with the scimitar you can still fire your guns... perhaps alpha a frig or similar.
While being jammed and scrammed you can only sit and look as you die slowly


So why shouldn't people who bring friends, are prepared, and pick their targets well be able to kill you without loss?

The reason why solo PVP is so well regarded is because it's ridiculously hard to be successful at it, and that's because EVE doesn't do anything to help the soloist and because flying solo is a self imposed limitation that dramatically gimps your options and viable targets.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-09-28 21:08:03 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Small gang pvp better not be dead, I'm Gallente combat specializing. Straight

/slowly removes hat

His name was, Paul Oliver. God rest his soul.
I Love Lesbians
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-09-28 21:14:11 UTC
Burseg Sardaukar wrote:
I think ECM is pretty broken as an EWAR in general. The ability to completely break locks (and thus break ALL offensive or RR modules is a tad bit crap).



since when do they break f.o.f. missiles?
Liz Laser
Blood Tribe Inc
#28 - 2012-09-28 21:25:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Liz Laser
I Love Lesbians wrote:
Burseg Sardaukar wrote:
I think ECM is pretty broken as an EWAR in general. The ability to completely break locks (and thus break ALL offensive or RR modules is a tad bit crap).
since when do they break f.o.f. missiles?


shhhhh. Only us Scorpion pilots are allowed to use F.O.F. missiles. :-)

(ECM boats are often the first target of enemy ECM boats).

I'd suggest the OP fly ECM for a year. OP will learn a lot about the methods to thwart ECM by being the ECM-er who gets thwarted.
Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#29 - 2012-09-28 21:34:07 UTC
I Love Lesbians wrote:
Burseg Sardaukar wrote:
I think ECM is pretty broken as an EWAR in general. The ability to completely break locks (and thus break ALL offensive or RR modules is a tad bit crap).



since when do they break f.o.f. missiles?


Lol you caught me there, they also don't disable smartbombs or bombs or ECM bursts or target spectrum breakers if you want to get massively technical about one word I used.

The difference between ECM and the other E-war is that the others still provide the user with same ability to mitigate the attack. Damps and sebos, neuts and nos/cap boosters, warp disruption and stabs at 1/1 ratio, TD with TC, webs and prop mods, but with ECM and ECCM you still can get the full brunt of the ECM's effects based on chance. And during that jam cycle you are utterly crippled. The target can cloak/warp/keep fighting and has a large amount of time to make that decision.

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!
Tammarr
#30 - 2012-09-28 21:44:38 UTC
No worries, ecm will be there for a long time. But soon you'll get to enjoy gangs fielding TDs en masse rather then ecm birds. You'll keep your lock, but you'll hit nothing. It'll still be more enjoyable getting shots that go nowhere off then not getting to shot a single round, right?

solo is paper, rock, scissors, blob. Dont engage what you can't beat.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-09-28 21:56:15 UTC
Stop being bad and learn to pick your targets.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-09-28 22:08:45 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Stop being bad and learn to pick your targets.

What is a good target to engage while jammed?
Ginger Barbarella
#33 - 2012-09-28 22:10:00 UTC
Adapt or die----

Oh, wait sorry... I forgot where I was. "Adapt or whine to CCP to nerf a feasible game mechanic so I don't lose any fights."

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Pipa Porto
#34 - 2012-09-28 22:27:56 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Stop being bad and learn to pick your targets.

What is a good target to engage while jammed?


Picking your targets != Target Calling

Don't engage targets who are going to bring jammers while you're unable to deal with jammers.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-09-28 22:31:44 UTC
Solo PvP? You mean evenly matched 1v1?

Go play online chess.
Lord Arakkis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-09-28 22:32:59 UTC
Is there a counter? Yes? Ok then. Adapt or die frustrated.

Your still a child in the eyes of the universe
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-09-28 22:40:10 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Stop being bad and learn to pick your targets.

What is a good target to engage while jammed?


Picking your targets != Target Calling

Don't engage targets who are going to bring jammers while you're unable to deal with jammers.

Ok. Give us some examples of 'dealing with' jammers?
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-09-28 22:42:27 UTC
Doyey3731 wrote:
I just like to go out with all guns blazing.

Sure...as long as you get what you want to hell with everyone else. What is it you're expecting here? That CCP will make it easier for you?
Pipa Porto
#39 - 2012-09-28 22:46:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Marlona Sky wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Stop being bad and learn to pick your targets.

What is a good target to engage while jammed?


Picking your targets != Target Calling

Don't engage targets who are going to bring jammers while you're unable to deal with jammers.

Ok. Give us some examples of 'dealing with' jammers?


ECCM, Bring more than the ~2 to 3 ships a Falcon can keep consistently jammed (heck, just bring more than 1 ship of the same race, and they'll likely have a hard time keeping both jammed), bring friendly ECM and decloak second, and so on.

If you're flying solo, avoid them because it's unlikely that you'll be able to deal with them. Before you complain about them being OP because you can't deal with them solo, remember that they can't do much to you solo either.

In other words, when flying solo, pick your targets carefully.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-09-28 22:49:50 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Stop being bad and learn to pick your targets.

What is a good target to engage while jammed?


Picking your targets != Target Calling

Don't engage targets who are going to bring jammers while you're unable to deal with jammers.

Ok. Give us some examples of 'dealing with' jammers?


ECCM, Bring more than the ~2 to 3 ships a Falcon can keep consistently jammed (heck, just bring more than 1 ship of the same race, and they'll likely have a hard time keeping both jammed), bring friendly ECM and decloak second, and so on.

If you're flying solo, avoid them because it's unlikely that you'll be able to deal with them. Before you complain about them being OP because you can't deal with them solo, remember that they can't do much to you solo either.

In other words, when flying solo, pick your targets carefully.

I literally lol'd hard when you said ECCM. Thanks for playing!