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Dev blog: New Eden Open $10.000 Tournament

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Eiluvial
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2012-09-28 16:32:57 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:
Quote:
Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified.


Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something?


Potentially it could, however, the severity of penalties applied to player accounts who participate in this action should not be ignored.

Fake edit: They are severe.


The spies will be burned anyway, and banning those accounts isn't really a problem.

Are you saying the main accounts will be affect as well? Punishment to the person and not the chars? Metagaming now an bannable offense? Sad
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#82 - 2012-09-28 16:33:10 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Let's look at the idea from the individual to have the PLEX cost split amongst everyone on a team.


SO, you come in with 16 guys (8 mains and 8 backups) who each put down 2 plex each to get 32 plex on the table for the bidding.

That's gonna be around $35 each or 1.2B PLEX at current prices (i'm sure people are buying PLEX already, I am).

To have a chance at splitting $10,000 over 16 people, minus the estimated average bidding, which is $544 = 9456 a prize of $591 each. Which, is almost as much as the whole team together put into the pot each. So, a 1 in 32 chance (random draw) to get 15 times your money back.

Go play a lotto, better chance of winning better prizes.

We're not even considering gaming the system to have 10 PL teams in. At which point everyone is gonna get screwed.



the top prize isn't 10k. That's the entire prize pot.

top is 6k (iirc).



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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#83 - 2012-09-28 16:33:17 UTC
Hiram Alexander wrote:
This being EVE 'n' all... Are there any metagame rules we should be aware of?, for example, should some Team Captain register their team, but trick their bunch of pilots into giving him/her 50 Plex for an auction bid that's never going to be paid, is that going to be a problem, or A-okay...?


We understand this can be a concern. Unless you are 100% sure that your team captain is a stand up guy/girl we would suggest you hold on to your individual PLEX and then pay them to 'CCP Alliance Tournament' individually if you are successful in the auction.

As long as the total number of PLEX is sent by the team then this will not be an issue.

One thing we would stress is that you all must be available to pay the PLEX if and when you win a slot otherwise your slot will be re-auctioned.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#84 - 2012-09-28 16:33:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Salpun wrote:
Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol



Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head.

Went back and fixed it, thank you.

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CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#85 - 2012-09-28 16:34:17 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Dierdra Vaal wrote:
Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?

Will player adverts be allowed like the AT?


Can we have this question answered please.

I'll stop being a punk about the whole situation, I'll just tell you that I know a lot of people are plugging a lot of numbers in right now.

Oh, and prediction is PL wins.


Already answered this earlier.

Yes there will be a studio

Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP

No there will not be player adverts for this tournament as we are trying to minimize the time between matches and give you an action packed event.

eSports Coordinator for the EVE Universe & Community Specialist
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#86 - 2012-09-28 16:38:02 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol



Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head.

Went back and fixed it, thank you.

$10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes.

Read the devblog Cool.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#87 - 2012-09-28 16:42:39 UTC
Will the winter patch be in before this kicks off?

If so

Will T1 "logistics cruisers" count toward the 1 limit?


How will money be given out at the end of the tournament... can't be trusting people when cash is on the line.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#88 - 2012-09-28 16:44:29 UTC
Salpun wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol



Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head.

Went back and fixed it, thank you.

$10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes.

Read the devblog Cool.


I did. Just a slip.

It only works the argument in my favor.


All this amounts to is paying 30B ISK to "have fun" - the real money value is insignificant. And that means the only people that have expendable money to burn are the null sec alliances. And the only people that will get "Sponsored" by anyone with money are going to be A-Teams that already have an ATX track record.

As someone pointed out, on the ATX Auction, they could barely even sell the last slot. So what makes you think you can do the same thing here?

Sorry, CCP has totally overestimated the amount of Free ISK moving around that would go towards a project like this. You are going to have a hard time filling 32 slots totaling a minimum of 480 Billion ISK, when there were BIGGER prizes, More ISK, more reputation and better rewards for ATX.

Where I am.
CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#89 - 2012-09-28 16:45:59 UTC
I'm Down wrote:
Will the winter patch be in before this kicks off?

If so

Will T1 "logistics cruisers" count toward the 1 limit?


How will money be given out at the end of the tournament... can't be trusting people when cash is on the line.


No, the winter patch will not be released before this tournament.
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#90 - 2012-09-28 16:46:09 UTC  |  Edited by: I'm Down
Bloodpetal wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol



Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head.

Went back and fixed it, thank you.

$10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes.

Read the devblog Cool.




As someone pointed out, on the ATX Auction, they could barely even sell the last slot. So what makes you think you can do the same thing here?

Sorry, CCP has totally overestimated the amount of Free ISK moving around that would go towards a project like this. You are going to have a hard time filling 32 slots totaling a minimum of 480 Billion ISK, when there were BIGGER prizes, More ISK, more reputation and better rewards for ATX.


Not to mention multiple of those alliance prizes were RMT'd behind closed doors afterwards in a variety of ways for quite a bit of dough. Even at the worst rates currently given, the AT prizes usually net the winners around 14,000 dollars and the Devs turn a blind eye
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#91 - 2012-09-28 16:47:53 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol



Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head.

Went back and fixed it, thank you.

$10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes.

Read the devblog Cool.


I did. Just a slip.

It only works the argument in my favor.


All this amounts to is paying 30B ISK to "have fun" - the real money value is insignificant. And that means the only people that have expendable money to burn are the null sec alliances. And the only people that will get "Sponsored" by anyone with money are going to be A-Teams that already have an ATX track record.

As someone pointed out, on the ATX Auction, they could barely even sell the last slot. So what makes you think you can do the same thing here?

Sorry, CCP has totally overestimated the amount of Free ISK moving around that would go towards a project like this. You are going to have a hard time filling 32 slots totaling a minimum of 480 Billion ISK, when there were BIGGER prizes, More ISK, more reputation and better rewards for ATX.


Yep but real cash trumps ISK right.What?

At least the new destroyer stats are out and might be on duality for the weekend.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#92 - 2012-09-28 16:56:48 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Let's look at the idea from the individual to have the PLEX cost split amongst everyone on a team.


SO, you come in with 16 guys (8 mains and 8 backups) who each put down 2 plex each to get 32 plex on the table for the bidding.

That's gonna be around $35 each or 1.2B PLEX at current prices (i'm sure people are buying PLEX already, I am).

To have a chance at splitting EDIT : $6,000 over 16 people, minus the estimated average bidding, which is $544 = 5456 a prize of $341 each. Which, is almost as much as the whole team together put into the pot each. So, a 1 in 32 chance (random draw) to get 10 times your money back.

Go play a lotto, better chance of winning better prizes.

We're not even considering gaming the system to have 10 PL teams in. At which point everyone is gonna get screwed.


http://www.lottogenie.com/html/odds.html

Those look like worse odds to me and you don't get to blow up spaceships!

eSports Coordinator for the EVE Universe & Community Specialist
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#93 - 2012-09-28 17:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
CCP Bro wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Let's look at the idea from the individual to have the PLEX cost split amongst everyone on a team.


SO, you come in with 16 guys (8 mains and 8 backups) who each put down 2 plex each to get 32 plex on the table for the bidding.

That's gonna be around $35 each or 1.2B PLEX at current prices (i'm sure people are buying PLEX already, I am).

To have a chance at splitting EDIT : $6,000 over 16 people, minus the estimated average bidding, which is $544 = 5456 a prize of $341 each. Which, is almost as much as the whole team together put into the pot each. So, a 1 in 32 chance (random draw) to get 10 times your money back.

Go play a lotto, better chance of winning better prizes.

We're not even considering gaming the system to have 10 PL teams in. At which point everyone is gonna get screwed.


http://www.lottogenie.com/html/odds.html

Those look like worse odds to me and you don't get to blow up spaceships!



Not to promote Somer Blink... a service i dislike.

But Somer Blink you have a 1 in 8 chance of winning about 7x your money back. (house always, wins, etc). In theory, you could take 30B ISK and win 210B ISK in Somer Blink, but there would also be another 7 losers along the way. Your odds are dramatically worse, and also involve skill, which means that they're not only giving you a chance, they're weighted odds. So, you have 1 in 32 chance of winning, weighted against a ranking (PL would be one of the highest ranked), so that would put most other teams at a 1 in a 100 chance of winning or better.

On the level of CCP, you're talking about potentially making $19,000 to sell $10,000, and I won't even gander a guess at the agreements between own3dTV and yourselves and wouldn't expect you to make that public, but I'm sure it's a pretty sweet deal if CCP is going to put aside community dev hours to make it happen.


On the topic of blowing up spaceships. I stated earlier...

Quote:
All this amounts to is paying 30B ISK to "have fun" - the real money value is insignificant. And that means the only people that have expendable money to burn are the null sec alliances. And the only people that will get "Sponsored" by anyone with money are going to be A-Teams that already have an ATX track record.


I'm not saying that's not worth it to some people. Sure, it is. But the carrot on the stick is the money to drive the train. It's not actually anything more or less than a carrot on a stick. Am I calling you immoral? No. I just think you're misjudging the situation, and I think you're totally overestimating the amount of ISK people will throw at this. 480B ISK+ isn't something to laugh at, and getting it all in one place and one time is something even the biggest alliances have a difficult time doing.

I can't think of 32 teams that will put this much money at the table. I can think of 8-10.


I want to be positive, I know I've taken a negative slant on this. But I'm not wanting to be negative about your event.

Best of luck, make it happen. I'll make ISKies either way.Pirate

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Kumq uat
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-09-28 17:07:05 UTC
Oh my. Isn't this interesting.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#95 - 2012-09-28 17:10:42 UTC
CCP Bro wrote:

Already answered this earlier.

Yes there will be a studio

Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP

No there will not be player adverts for this tournament as we are trying to minimize the time between matches and give you an action packed event.


I promised I'd stop being a punk, so here's constructive feedback?

Why don't you accept a PLEX for ads? I think some player organizations would be willing to put a PLEX to advertise on your program.

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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#96 - 2012-09-28 17:10:42 UTC
Nicely done CCP. This is a right direction to take. A game with an e-sport will attract much more players. And give to the crowd a show and u cant go wrong. See what the Romans did back in the past with the gladiator games :DDD

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Servant's Lord
The Untraceable
M A R A K U G A
#97 - 2012-09-28 17:17:17 UTC
So is the plex "bidding" a deposit, or a onetime payment?

IE if I throw up 35 plex, will I get my plex back at the end win or lose, or do they just disappear once they're contract to CCP Alliance Char?
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-09-28 17:17:46 UTC
HOLY F*CKSH*T, finally!

I has all the eve inactivity
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#99 - 2012-09-28 17:17:53 UTC
Servant's Lord wrote:
So is the plex "bidding" a deposit, or a onetime payment?

IE if I throw up 35 plex, will I get my plex back at the end win or lose, or do they just disappear once they're contract to CCP Alliance Char?


They keep it as an entry fee.

Gotta pay the bills.

Where I am.
CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#100 - 2012-09-28 17:20:08 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
CCP Bro wrote:

Already answered this earlier.

Yes there will be a studio

Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP

No there will not be player adverts for this tournament as we are trying to minimize the time between matches and give you an action packed event.


I promised I'd stop being a punk, so here's constructive feedback?

Why don't you accept a PLEX for ads? I think some player organizations would be willing to put a PLEX to advertise on your program.


That is a good idea and something that is definitely worth considering. One of the reasons why we are not doing player adverts this tournament is because we want to try limiting the amount of time between matches and maximizing the amount of spaceships blowing up. We will then of course look at your feedback for how that goes and factor that into future decisions.

It is worth noting that this isn't an end all tournament or a grand finale. This is the first step on a hopefully long, entertaining and successful road. Also, the main purpose of this tournament is to engage you, the community, and bring you a full scale tournament production for your entertainment, whether you partake in the tournament or just opt to watch it.

During ATX we received positive feedback and were asked multiple times, why don't you do more tournaments? We took that question to heart and are here to offer you, you guessed it, more tournaments. Any constructive criticism, pointers and observations are of course completely welcome and will help us better this service to you in the future.

eSports Coordinator for the EVE Universe & Community Specialist