Ships & Modules

Hello all,

From my null sec alliance experience (from small/medium size roaming fleets to 200+ ship fleet sov wars), I've noticed that Minmatar ships are chosen only on the sub-capital level. When it comes to bring capitals to the battle field, it's all about Amarr/Gallente/Caldari. Honestly I saw once a Ragnarok and a Nid, and that was it! Carriers, Super Carriers, Dreads, Titans.... all about the other races.

Are Minmatar capitals that bad?!?! Or have I just had a totally incomplete experience so far?! :-)

Thank you in advance for your thoughts!

H K

All capitals are... you guest it... capitals. If came down to flying a minmi cap of none at all, an fc will say fly one. They also have some useful bonuses
That said the other caps are better in certain areas especially in the carrier line up. When it comes to dreds however, once fully skilled, the naglfars can be argued to be one of the best.

I kinda feel mimatar and amarr or oposites in this regaurd. Amarr ships start out kinda meh for pvp, and get better as they get bigger, gettign really good in BS to Super class. Mimatar start out great and stay pretty great till you get to BSs, then the start to go down hill.

I think it's because in terms of lore, Amarr tend to prefer fighting in fleets whereas Minmatar prefer hit-and-run tactics (i.e., solo or small groups). CCP's ship-design philosophy reflects this, and that's why Minnie designs always predominate in solo or small-gang PVP but Amarr, Gallente and Caldari ships tend to show up more in large fleet battles.

I also thought it was because shields are generally crappy in the supercap level because of lack of shield slaves?

is your npc corp involved in sov warfare?

The Executioner, Slicer, Retribution, Coercer, and Arbitrator are just fantastic for starting out PVP. From there you can move into the Arbitrator, NOmen, Harbinger, and Oracle. From there you're training for the Curse, Zealot, and Guardian. The situation gets even better come winter. Any claim that starting Amarr PVP is "meh" is just hogwash.

To address the OP: I have Minmatar Carrier 5 with all support skills at 5. I was wanting to get into flying a triage carrier a while back, but I was consistently told that people would rather fly with an Archon that had Amarr Carrier 3 and supports at 3. A few times I was told that the Nidhoggur wasn't going to be covered by corp replacement so I should train the Archon which was.

My personal opinion of the ships is that the Nidhoggur has some niche uses that the Archon can't fill - the most obvious which is POS repping. There's others, but I'm keeping them quiet for when I find a corp/alliance I want to triage for (probably in WH space?). :)

-Liang

My inner ship hipster wants me to train for Chimera or Niddy, regardless of usefulness.

I've had the exact same question in my mind! Buuuuut it makes sense that they won't be so good at capitals.

So the real question is. Are there are any capital tactics where they actually can be of use? *tugs on Liang's sleeve*

Nidhoggur is also fairly useful in smaller-scale engagements where there's not too much hostile DPS on the field.

One of the primary issues with it (and the thanatos to some extent) is that it simply cannot tank enough in a triage configuration to survive anywhere near the amount of fire that the archon and chimera can. Niddhoggur can rep quite a bit more than the Chimera in a shield config but ultimately has an absolute tank of about half of that of the chimera. This is somewhat exacerbated becuase you will really only notice the extra reps from the niddhoggur in situations where there is a significant hostile fleet, a situation where you die very fast once they start focusing you down.

The mediocre shield and armor tank and lack of any real defining role or advantage compared to the other carriers just makes it a bad choice overall, not to mention that you dont even have a supercarrier to look forward to. Nidhoggur is not as terrible as others make it out to be and will suit you just fine for the carrier fleets or logistical purposes that capitals are mostly seen in today, but there are better, more specialized choices.


Naglfar suffers more from the silly split weapon system than anything. With only 2 "real" weapon slots it just cant compare to the revelation or (especially) moros in terms of DPS ability or projection. Even against structures the torps have pitiful DPS and disappointing range.