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Exploit or not ?

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Moon Rabit
Billionaires Club
#1 - 2012-09-28 11:03:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Moon Rabit
Hi,

2 caps Nykitah in Nidhogur and Thanny
bumped themselves from Force Field by changing passwords in POS management and get out of range of our bubbles...

Small MINMATAR control tower in H7O-JZ 4-16 at around 9:20-9:40 et.

For me it is this was obvious exploit cuz they were bumped +100km and it was impossible to point them.

What you guys thing it is exploit or not ?

* Vote Yes or No

** And what you thing about change this bump range to 5km from Force Field ?
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#2 - 2012-09-28 11:06:48 UTC
8/10 - would read again.

Had to as I had no clue what you were on about.

Who knows with how things are judged in this game is my answer.
Starbuck Arkaral
Carpe Noctem.
#3 - 2012-09-28 11:07:25 UTC
No, because they simply used the game's mechanics to their advantage.

That being said, I don't think you should be able to eject a carrier in such
a fashion and I do wish that they would change this. +100km is too far.

You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked....
Kha'Vorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-09-28 11:08:12 UTC
I have no idea what your rambling on about.
Crrrazy Ivan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-09-28 11:09:19 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
8/10 - would read again.

Had to as I had no clue what you were on about.

Who knows with how things are judged in this game is my answer.


I can only assume he means this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4medDjr-0U

As for whether it's an exploit, no. Just clever use of game mechanics.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-09-28 11:11:38 UTC
Smart playing more like, although I too agree that it is kind of silly that a capital ship weighing a ton could be bumped that far by the shields. Your solution for the next similar effort would be to simply bring a fast interceptor, extremely easy to fit them in such way that they cover the 100km distance before the capitals are aligned and able to warp out.
Crrrazy Ivan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-09-28 11:14:30 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Smart playing more like, although I too agree that it is kind of silly that a capital ship weighing a ton could be bumped that far by the shields. Your solution for the next similar effort would be to simply bring a fast interceptor, extremely easy to fit them in such way that they cover the 100km distance before the capitals are aligned and able to warp out.


That's assuming they will align and then warp. In most cases cyno jump points are already setup and the attackers have literally a few seconds before the capitals jump out.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-09-28 11:16:00 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Smart playing more like, although I too agree that it is kind of silly that a capital ship weighing a ton could be bumped that far by the shields. Your solution for the next similar effort would be to simply bring a fast interceptor, extremely easy to fit them in such way that they cover the 100km distance before the capitals are aligned and able to warp out.


In all likelyhood they aren't going to be doing any aligning. They'll just jump to the escape cyno and leave the system before you can do anything.
smokeAjoint
Catch And Release Privateering
#9 - 2012-09-28 11:16:39 UTC
no,
next time take a interceptor with you
it should have a point on the carrier before it can warp to a ss

changing pw on pos to slingshot away your shinys, working as intended

** legalize it**
smokeAjoint
Catch And Release Privateering
#10 - 2012-09-28 11:20:32 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Smart playing more like, although I too agree that it is kind of silly that a capital ship weighing a ton could be bumped that far by the shields. Your solution for the next similar effort would be to simply bring a fast interceptor, extremely easy to fit them in such way that they cover the 100km distance before the capitals are aligned and able to warp out.


In all likelyhood they aren't going to be doing any aligning. They'll just jump to the escape cyno and leave the system before you can do anything.



than why slingshot yourself out of the pos as you just can cyno out wen sitting in the pos shield?

** legalize it**
Moon Rabit
Billionaires Club
#11 - 2012-09-28 11:27:14 UTC
smokeAjoint wrote:
no,
next time take a interceptor with you
it should have a point on the carrier before it can warp to a ss

changing pw on pos to slingshot away your shinys, working as intended


CCP Should change bamp range to 5 - 10 Km because bumping caps at 100KM range is absurd.
Jim Hazard
Fury Industry
#12 - 2012-09-28 11:28:41 UTC
smokeAjoint wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Smart playing more like, although I too agree that it is kind of silly that a capital ship weighing a ton could be bumped that far by the shields. Your solution for the next similar effort would be to simply bring a fast interceptor, extremely easy to fit them in such way that they cover the 100km distance before the capitals are aligned and able to warp out.


In all likelyhood they aren't going to be doing any aligning. They'll just jump to the escape cyno and leave the system before you can do anything.



than why slingshot yourself out of the pos as you just can cyno out wen sitting in the pos shield?


because you can not jump out of a small POS which is **** caged? maybe?
smokeAjoint
Catch And Release Privateering
#13 - 2012-09-28 11:30:31 UTC
Jim Hazard wrote:
smokeAjoint wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Smart playing more like, although I too agree that it is kind of silly that a capital ship weighing a ton could be bumped that far by the shields. Your solution for the next similar effort would be to simply bring a fast interceptor, extremely easy to fit them in such way that they cover the 100km distance before the capitals are aligned and able to warp out.


In all likelyhood they aren't going to be doing any aligning. They'll just jump to the escape cyno and leave the system before you can do anything.



than why slingshot yourself out of the pos as you just can cyno out wen sitting in the pos shield?


because you can not jump out of a small POS which is **** caged? maybe?


my mistake dith not read the bubble part,....Oops

** legalize it**
Crrrazy Ivan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-09-28 11:40:56 UTC
And no, I'm against reducing the bump range to 5km or 10km. This is one of the very few mechanics that actually allows the underdogs to evacuate safely. There is little point of making it even 'easier' for large NullSec entities to simply **** cage any POS they like and feast on any capitals inside (assuming the owners didn't SD them already).
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#15 - 2012-09-28 11:41:22 UTC
Ha!

A creative solution to a common problem is not an exploit.

Very nice :)

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Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-09-28 11:46:25 UTC
This is one of the oldest tricks in the book. When the POS revamp happens I'm s.ure somthing will change
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#17 - 2012-09-28 11:48:58 UTC
Exploit? No, Clever people doing clever stuff? Yes.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-09-28 12:14:08 UTC
Starbuck Arkaral wrote:
No, because they simply used the game's mechanics to their advantage.

Not that I agree that this should be declared an exploit, but prior to the changes that made it impossible to warp after committing a criminal act in highsec, it was possible to entirely evade Concord by continuously warping throughout the system for 15 minutes until the GCC ended. This was also, you could very easily and rightly say, using the game's mechanics to an advantage. That doesn't automatically make it not an exploit.

The ability to use this game mechanic comes with the downside of having a POS vulnerable to infiltration by the enemy, who could guess or through espionage obtain the forcefield password and bump your precious capitals out of the shield into the waiting hands of your enemies. It's also not entirely immune to failure - in this video trapped RnK capitals use this trick to escape, but one of the capitals bumps squarely into a hostile titan on its way out and isn't able to make it out of the bubble before it's tackled and killed.

That's why I don't believe it should be an exploit.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#19 - 2012-09-28 12:54:01 UTC
Never seen that before; it's actually pretty cool. Kind of like an eject button for Carriers. Knew it was possible, but not the specific mechanics. Actually thought they only bounced off when they warped in on the POS after the password had been changed.

I'd call it inventive. Keep it. Smile
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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#20 - 2012-09-28 12:57:26 UTC
Starbuck Arkaral wrote:
No, because they simply used the game's mechanics to their advantage.

That being said, I don't think you should be able to eject a carrier in such
a fashion and I do wish that they would change this. +100km is too far.



I thought using game's mechanics to your advantage was an exploit.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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