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[Updated][Winter] Missile Rebalance 2.0 + Hurricane tweak

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DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3341 - 2012-09-28 08:56:26 UTC
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:

Is it fair that AC cane does 600dps while HAM drake does only around 450dps.. Why not nerf AC dmg by 20%. Also medium lasors should be nerfed as legion dominates NCO's too much.

And btw HAM drake can only fit 2 bcu because it will run out of cpu. Not to mention if you fit 1 TE its going to be only 1 bcu which lowers dps even more. While cane can easily fit 4 gyros and use barrage.


Like I said, EFT messes with people here.

How far is the Cane optimal range? about 3 kilometers? What do you think happens at 20km? Dps is around 300. Guess what happens at 40 km. Dps is 0. Your argument is invalid. Uninstall EFT or learn to dps graph


EFT warrior. Have you ever heard of falloff or barrage? Do you know that missiles doesnt have falloff? And do you know that cane can pop rifter with barrage from 40k before rifter alings to warp out... Also do you know what happens when HAM drake trying to shoot at 20k? Nothing will happen because my HAM drake has 18k range.

So your argument is invalid. Pls unistall eve and stay in your EFT.


What he tried to say was that the drake will do its full dps at 18k range and that the dps of the cane will go down as the target is farther away.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Retardo Khaan
Slow Motion.
#3342 - 2012-09-28 08:56:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Retardo Khaan
Uh another double quote OopsOops
Sigras
Conglomo
#3343 - 2012-09-28 08:58:42 UTC
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:

Is it fair that AC cane does 600dps while HAM drake does only around 450dps.. Why not nerf AC dmg by 20%. Also medium lasors should be nerfed as legion dominates NCO's too much.

And btw HAM drake can only fit 2 bcu because it will run out of cpu. Not to mention if you fit 1 TE its going to be only 1 bcu which lowers dps even more. While cane can easily fit 4 gyros and use barrage.


Like I said, EFT messes with people here.

How far is the Cane optimal range? about 3 kilometers? What do you think happens at 20km? Dps is around 300. Guess what happens at 40 km. Dps is 0. Your argument is invalid. Uninstall EFT or learn to dps graph


EFT warrior. Have you ever heard of falloff or barrage? Do you know that missiles doesnt have falloff? And do you know that cane can pop rifter with barrage from 40k before rifter alings to warp out... Also do you know what happens when HAM drake trying to shoot at 20k? Nothing will happen because my HAM drake has 18k range.

So your argument is invalid. Pls unistall eve and stay in your EFT.

Hey Slowbrow:

have you ever heard of javalin ammo?
did you hear that theyre adding TCs and TEs to missiles?

this pushes the HAM drakes range to 30 km or so (assuming TEs and TCs give a 15% range bonus to missiles)

oh, and with 2 BCUs and a TE, javelin ammo does 347 DPS at 30 km where barrage ammo does around 200 DPS

learn to think outside the box.
Noemi Nagano
Perkone
Caldari State
#3344 - 2012-09-28 09:00:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Noemi Nagano
Sigras wrote:
Noemi Nagano wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Noemi Nagano wrote:
What is the range of the HAM-Drake again? ;) And remember, no falloff, and it will always be way shorter than what EFT says.


About 25 km, more with fancy flying that forces an opponent to chase you, increasing the relative velocity of the missiles. Now you tell me the turret DPS of a dual-TE Hurricane at 25 km, using RF EMP. You may being to see a problem at this point. Of course, you could use Barrage... but you may want to inspect its damage type.

Of course, you know all this, being an experienced Drake pilot. Lol


How will you be able to dictate range like you said you will? You are slower, not more agile and the other pilot can keep you pointed well outside your theoretical fighting range. So what I see is, you will do zero and lose the fight. In your face he will kill you too. So he will either do the first or the second, thats why HAM Drakes die 1on1. Seriously, there have been so many tests. If you want to prove me wrong I can gladly give you contact details for guys who will show you how your Drake gets blown up, personally I lack a bit ingame time atm, else I would do it myself. Comparing EFT stats is not Eve, simple as that.

right now, the HAM drake with javelin scourge does damage out to 30.4 km, call it 25 km because this is the real world after all, and that range will go up with a tracking enhancer (if its a 15% buff the new range is 34.95 km so say 30) so . . . maybe with a faction point and heat you'll get out more than 30 km

The best chance the cane has is to close to 0 and use hail + neuts or to run away.


Please stop mixing up things - in this specific argument "Drake vs Cane close range" we are discussing Eve at it is *now* not, Eve as it could be after the patch. Its clearly true there is a window of opportunity for a Cane where it can kite all damage from that Drake, and an even bigger window where it can kite high damage ammo from that Drake. Apart from that it can also just go close in and become your personal dual neut friend. The Cane will win either way, if someone disagrees, test it out and test it not in EFT pls.

Apart from that - no one with their brains set right will claim the Drake is OP as a HAM ship. It clearly is NOT AT ALL. It loses to all other tier 2s in 1on1, although not by a big margin. The Drake is 4th of 4 there, simple as that. It is however best in some ranges atm if it comes to long range comparison with HMLs vs med turrets. My point is, thats not because HML are broken (as they are not), but because long range medium turrets dont project so far as they should to be long range. Base DPS are not bad at all (using highest DPS ammo, ofc), but range sucks too much then, and the medium DPS ammo types (which are completely comparable to Drakes DPS btw, but are instant!) lack range too. This should be adressed, and could be adressed. Nothing more, nothing less.
Retardo Khaan
Slow Motion.
#3345 - 2012-09-28 09:05:11 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:

Is it fair that AC cane does 600dps while HAM drake does only around 450dps.. Why not nerf AC dmg by 20%. Also medium lasors should be nerfed as legion dominates NCO's too much.

And btw HAM drake can only fit 2 bcu because it will run out of cpu. Not to mention if you fit 1 TE its going to be only 1 bcu which lowers dps even more. While cane can easily fit 4 gyros and use barrage.


Like I said, EFT messes with people here.

How far is the Cane optimal range? about 3 kilometers? What do you think happens at 20km? Dps is around 300. Guess what happens at 40 km. Dps is 0. Your argument is invalid. Uninstall EFT or learn to dps graph


EFT warrior. Have you ever heard of falloff or barrage? Do you know that missiles doesnt have falloff? And do you know that cane can pop rifter with barrage from 40k before rifter alings to warp out... Also do you know what happens when HAM drake trying to shoot at 20k? Nothing will happen because my HAM drake has 18k range.

So your argument is invalid. Pls unistall eve and stay in your EFT.


What he tried to say was that the drake will do its full dps at 18k range and that the dps of the cane will go down as the target is farther away.


Well sure but cane can burn away and warp out because of its speed. And then drake doesnt kill anything. Yes cane dps will go down but still it can pop rifter from 40k with barrage. HAM drake cant kill anything from 40k.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3346 - 2012-09-28 09:09:03 UTC
Noemi Nagano wrote:
In your face he will kill you too.


No, we've been through this several times now. In a straight gank vs tank comparison, the Hurricane will lose inside web range, just like a Brutix and harbinger (actually IIRC the Harbinger can if it has Slaves) cannot either. It simply doesn't have the combination of DPS and EHP that the Drake has. This is easy to model.

Quote:
How will you be able to dictate range like you said you will? You are slower, not more agile and the other pilot can keep you pointed well outside your theoretical fighting range.


The Hurricane cannot deal sufficient DPS to the Drake while remaining outside Jav range. You do know what falloff is, don't you? Assuming that we're not talking link Lokis everywhere, his point will burn out long before the Drake's tank is seriously threatened.
Retardo Khaan
Slow Motion.
#3347 - 2012-09-28 09:13:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Retardo Khaan
Sigras wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Eckyy wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Well i think cane is OP compared to HAM drake. See the difference yourself fit HAM drake with 2 BCU and T2 missiles then fit AC cane with 4 gyros and hail. Thats the difference. Yes drake has bit more tank but cane has speed.

I am minnie/caldari pilot btw. so i fly canes and drakes.. So would i want cane to get nerfed even more. No i wouldnt but in means of balancing cane needs to be nerfed more. Maybe by dropping its cpu so it cant fit so many gyros...


Why not just compare to a Drake with 0 BCUs and no tank? Roll

Summary:

The Drake CAN in fact fit 3 BCUs (without expensive meta4 mods!), which means...

The Drake does approximately 6% less DPS than the Hurricane and it can do it while sporting 25% more tank than a Hurricane.

The Drake can fit 2 additional midslot ewar mods over the Hurricane, at the expense of one small neut (post-nerf).

The Drake is slower, but is more agile and harder to jam.

The Drake can overheat its tank.



Why do you suggest an unreasonably poor fitting to compare with a 4 gyro (lol) Hurricane? I fail to see how the Hurricane is "OP" compared to the Drake. Should the Drake have higher DPS than the Hurricane while also sporting all of its current advantages?



Im tired of arguing with you. I see your opinion and you see mine. Btw you saying thats poor drake fit but in matter of fact your drake fit pathetic. Short range BC without web n scram and with 2 painters and no LSE. Or some lame t1 modules. I think thats just stupid fit. How are you going to stop that cane who is burning away from you with its speed? And wth your doing with 2 TP's in close range boat. HAM drake doesnt even need painters. And if its fleet few painters in fleet is enough and can be done by minmatar TP bonused boat. Which can offer web aswell tho unless its T1.

Anyways point remains you cant fit 3 bcu in HAM drake unless you make some stupid fit that doesnt make sense. So whatever unista.

lol you clearly dont know what youre talking about . . . put his drake against your hurricane, i guarentee you'll lose, especially if those two TPs were TDs

the drake has more EHP, the hurricane has more damage, we call this incomperable balance

Also, you said earlier that the use of an ACR is "cheating" that is ridiculous . . . it does make you lose a slot, but a smart person will tell you to do whatever you can to make your fit better . . .

Saying that is cheating is as moronic as saying using meta 4 modules to make your fit work is "cheating" . . . its idiotic because, if that makes your fit better, why not do it?



No you didnt understand the point at all. Its cheating to use ACR with HAM drake in comparison to AC cane that doesnt need to fit ACR for SR guns. As my point was that cane does too much dps when it can fit so many gyro. And by reducing its CPU it would balance AC cane compared to HAM drake. Also meta 4 modules are stupid because meta4 point has only 20k range. And meta4 DCU has lower resists. Also its price issue. You do know how much meta4 cost? Also its stupid because i could aswell make deadspace fitted cane to compare it to T2 fit drake cause price wont matter right?
Noemi Nagano
Perkone
Caldari State
#3348 - 2012-09-28 09:13:06 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Noemi Nagano wrote:
In your face he will kill you too.


No, we've been through this several times now. In a straight gank vs tank comparison, the Hurricane will lose inside web range, just like a Brutix and harbinger (actually IIRC the Harbinger can if it has Slaves) cannot either. It simply doesn't have the combination of DPS and EHP that the Drake has. This is easy to model.

Quote:
How will you be able to dictate range like you said you will? You are slower, not more agile and the other pilot can keep you pointed well outside your theoretical fighting range.


The Hurricane cannot deal sufficient DPS to the Drake while remaining outside Jav range. You do know what falloff is, don't you? Assuming that we're not talking link Lokis everywhere, his point will burn out long before the Drake's tank is seriously threatened.


I invite you to stop modeling things, but play the actual game. I can provide you with people who will gladly burn you down ingame to show how wrong you are. Plain and fair, no links/gang/whatever involved, just 1on1. They will do this as often as you wish, and generate a nice ammount of ISK for you if you keep insuring your Drakes. My offer stands ..
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#3349 - 2012-09-28 09:22:03 UTC
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Sigras wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Eckyy wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Well i think cane is OP compared to HAM drake. See the difference yourself fit HAM drake with 2 BCU and T2 missiles then fit AC cane with 4 gyros and hail. Thats the difference. Yes drake has bit more tank but cane has speed.

I am minnie/caldari pilot btw. so i fly canes and drakes.. So would i want cane to get nerfed even more. No i wouldnt but in means of balancing cane needs to be nerfed more. Maybe by dropping its cpu so it cant fit so many gyros...


Why not just compare to a Drake with 0 BCUs and no tank? Roll

Summary:

The Drake CAN in fact fit 3 BCUs (without expensive meta4 mods!), which means...

The Drake does approximately 6% less DPS than the Hurricane and it can do it while sporting 25% more tank than a Hurricane.

The Drake can fit 2 additional midslot ewar mods over the Hurricane, at the expense of one small neut (post-nerf).

The Drake is slower, but is more agile and harder to jam.

The Drake can overheat its tank.



Why do you suggest an unreasonably poor fitting to compare with a 4 gyro (lol) Hurricane? I fail to see how the Hurricane is "OP" compared to the Drake. Should the Drake have higher DPS than the Hurricane while also sporting all of its current advantages?



Im tired of arguing with you. I see your opinion and you see mine. Btw you saying thats poor drake fit but in matter of fact your drake fit pathetic. Short range BC without web n scram and with 2 painters and no LSE. Or some lame t1 modules. I think thats just stupid fit. How are you going to stop that cane who is burning away from you with its speed? And wth your doing with 2 TP's in close range boat. HAM drake doesnt even need painters. And if its fleet few painters in fleet is enough and can be done by minmatar TP bonused boat. Which can offer web aswell tho unless its T1.

Anyways point remains you cant fit 3 bcu in HAM drake unless you make some stupid fit that doesnt make sense. So whatever unista.

lol you clearly dont know what youre talking about . . . put his drake against your hurricane, i guarentee you'll lose, especially if those two TPs were TDs

the drake has more EHP, the hurricane has more damage, we call this incomperable balance

Also, you said earlier that the use of an ACR is "cheating" that is ridiculous . . . it does make you lose a slot, but a smart person will tell you to do whatever you can to make your fit better . . .

Saying that is cheating is as moronic as saying using meta 4 modules to make your fit work is "cheating" . . . its idiotic because, if that makes your fit better, why not do it?



No you didnt understand the point at all. Its cheating to use ACR with HAM drake in comparison to AC cane that doesnt need to fit ACR for SR guns. As my point was that cane does too much dps when it can fit so many gyro. And by reducing its CPU it would balance AC cane compared to HAM drake. Also meta 4 modules are stupid because meta4 point has only 20k range. And meta4 DCU has lower resists. Also its price issue. You do know how much meta4 cost? Also its stupid because i could aswell make deadspace fitted cane to compare it to T2 fit drake cause price wont matter right?


I bought my meta 4 DC at 2 mill each. Problem?

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Sigras
Conglomo
#3350 - 2012-09-28 09:27:58 UTC
Noemi Nagano wrote:
Sigras wrote:
Noemi Nagano wrote:
How will you be able to dictate range like you said you will? You are slower, not more agile and the other pilot can keep you pointed well outside your theoretical fighting range. So what I see is, you will do zero and lose the fight. In your face he will kill you too. So he will either do the first or the second, thats why HAM Drakes die 1on1. Seriously, there have been so many tests. If you want to prove me wrong I can gladly give you contact details for guys who will show you how your Drake gets blown up, personally I lack a bit ingame time atm, else I would do it myself. Comparing EFT stats is not Eve, simple as that.

right now, the HAM drake with javelin scourge does damage out to 30.4 km, call it 25 km because this is the real world after all, and that range will go up with a tracking enhancer (if its a 15% buff the new range is 34.95 km so say 30) so . . . maybe with a faction point and heat you'll get out more than 30 km

The best chance the cane has is to close to 0 and use hail + neuts or to run away.


Please stop mixing up things - in this specific argument "Drake vs Cane close range" we are discussing Eve at it is *now* not, Eve as it could be after the patch. Its clearly true there is a window of opportunity for a Cane where it can kite all damage from that Drake, and an even bigger window where it can kite high damage ammo from that Drake. Apart from that it can also just go close in and become your personal dual neut friend. The Cane will win either way, if someone disagrees, test it out and test it not in EFT pls.

I agree that at 0, the cane will be the hands down winner, what im saying is that right now in eve, the HAM drake can project damage all the way out to point range.

My statement is that from 9 km to 0 km, the cane does more DPS, from 9.5 km to 25 km, the drake does more DPS right now.

Noemi Nagano wrote:
Apart from that - no one with their brains set right will claim the Drake is OP as a HAM ship. It clearly is NOT AT ALL. It loses to all other tier 2s in 1on1, although not by a big margin. The Drake is 4th of 4 there, simple as that. It is however best in some ranges atm if it comes to long range comparison with HMLs vs med turrets. My point is, thats not because HML are broken (as they are not), but because long range medium turrets dont project so far as they should to be long range. Base DPS are not bad at all (using highest DPS ammo, ofc), but range sucks too much then, and the medium DPS ammo types (which are completely comparable to Drakes DPS btw, but are instant!) lack range too. This should be adressed, and could be adressed. Nothing more, nothing less.

You realize of course that this is a matter of opinion right?

it is your opinion that HMLs are "just right" as far as damage projection goes, and all the turrets are "too short"

Im not trying to be snarky, but you do realize that is an opinion right?
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#3351 - 2012-09-28 09:28:31 UTC
Retardo Khaan wrote:

Well sure but cane can burn away and warp out because of its speed. And then drake doesnt kill anything. Yes cane dps will go down but still it can pop rifter from 40k with barrage. HAM drake cant kill anything from 40k.

Lol, no it cant. Get out of eft please. And a Brutix can't kill anything from 40km either, your point is?

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Sigras
Conglomo
#3352 - 2012-09-28 09:31:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigras
Gypsio III wrote:
Noemi Nagano wrote:
In your face he will kill you too.


No, we've been through this several times now. In a straight gank vs tank comparison, the Hurricane will lose inside web range, just like a Brutix and harbinger (actually IIRC the Harbinger can if it has Slaves) cannot either. It simply doesn't have the combination of DPS and EHP that the Drake has. This is easy to model.

Quote:
How will you be able to dictate range like you said you will? You are slower, not more agile and the other pilot can keep you pointed well outside your theoretical fighting range.


The Hurricane cannot deal sufficient DPS to the Drake while remaining outside Jav range. You do know what falloff is, don't you? Assuming that we're not talking link Lokis everywhere, his point will burn out long before the Drake's tank is seriously threatened.

I think you're wrong here, the cane will kill you at 0 because he has more DPS and has neuts to turn your tank off, but you're right about the range thing.

Also the cane is losing the neuts it used to have, but thats not what we're talking about
Retardo Khaan
Slow Motion.
#3353 - 2012-09-28 09:34:28 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:

Well sure but cane can burn away and warp out because of its speed. And then drake doesnt kill anything. Yes cane dps will go down but still it can pop rifter from 40k with barrage. HAM drake cant kill anything from 40k.

Lol, no it cant. Get out of eft please. And a Brutix can't kill anything from 40km either, your point is?


Not using EFT. This happened in game. And my point was to say that cane can shoot upto 40k when drake cant. As the guy who i answered to was stating that drake does more dmg at 30k with HAMS.
Sigras
Conglomo
#3354 - 2012-09-28 09:38:10 UTC
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Sigras wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Eckyy wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Well i think cane is OP compared to HAM drake. See the difference yourself fit HAM drake with 2 BCU and T2 missiles then fit AC cane with 4 gyros and hail. Thats the difference. Yes drake has bit more tank but cane has speed.

I am minnie/caldari pilot btw. so i fly canes and drakes.. So would i want cane to get nerfed even more. No i wouldnt but in means of balancing cane needs to be nerfed more. Maybe by dropping its cpu so it cant fit so many gyros...


Why not just compare to a Drake with 0 BCUs and no tank? Roll

Summary:

The Drake CAN in fact fit 3 BCUs (without expensive meta4 mods!), which means...

The Drake does approximately 6% less DPS than the Hurricane and it can do it while sporting 25% more tank than a Hurricane.

The Drake can fit 2 additional midslot ewar mods over the Hurricane, at the expense of one small neut (post-nerf).

The Drake is slower, but is more agile and harder to jam.

The Drake can overheat its tank.



Why do you suggest an unreasonably poor fitting to compare with a 4 gyro (lol) Hurricane? I fail to see how the Hurricane is "OP" compared to the Drake. Should the Drake have higher DPS than the Hurricane while also sporting all of its current advantages?



Im tired of arguing with you. I see your opinion and you see mine. Btw you saying thats poor drake fit but in matter of fact your drake fit pathetic. Short range BC without web n scram and with 2 painters and no LSE. Or some lame t1 modules. I think thats just stupid fit. How are you going to stop that cane who is burning away from you with its speed? And wth your doing with 2 TP's in close range boat. HAM drake doesnt even need painters. And if its fleet few painters in fleet is enough and can be done by minmatar TP bonused boat. Which can offer web aswell tho unless its T1.

Anyways point remains you cant fit 3 bcu in HAM drake unless you make some stupid fit that doesnt make sense. So whatever unista.

lol you clearly dont know what youre talking about . . . put his drake against your hurricane, i guarentee you'll lose, especially if those two TPs were TDs

the drake has more EHP, the hurricane has more damage, we call this incomperable balance

Also, you said earlier that the use of an ACR is "cheating" that is ridiculous . . . it does make you lose a slot, but a smart person will tell you to do whatever you can to make your fit better . . .

Saying that is cheating is as moronic as saying using meta 4 modules to make your fit work is "cheating" . . . its idiotic because, if that makes your fit better, why not do it?



No you didnt understand the point at all. Its cheating to use ACR with HAM drake in comparison to AC cane that doesnt need to fit ACR for SR guns. As my point was that cane does too much dps when it can fit so many gyro. And by reducing its CPU it would balance AC cane compared to HAM drake. Also meta 4 modules are stupid because meta4 point has only 20k range. And meta4 DCU has lower resists. Also its price issue. You do know how much meta4 cost? Also its stupid because i could aswell make deadspace fitted cane to compare it to T2 fit drake cause price wont matter right?

No i understand you perfectly; the AC cane doesnt need a fitting mod to fit its short range guns, so you shouldnt either. I totally understand your point but i disagree with it on principle.

That would be like the hurricane pilot saying "a drake doesnt have to fit faction mods to get a 100,000 EHP tank so neither should I"
The ships are different, stop trying to make them the same.
Retardo Khaan
Slow Motion.
#3355 - 2012-09-28 09:41:30 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:


Quote:


I bought my meta 4 DC at 2 mill each. Problem?


Yea maybe you bought one. But its bullshit to say you get it with 2mil every day. Jita price is 5million. You know i also once sold stabber fleet issue hull with 100mils but it doesnt make it market price to go 100mil.

http://eve-marketdata.com/price_check.php?type_name_header=Internal+Force+Field+Array+I
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#3356 - 2012-09-28 09:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Hannott Thanos
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:

Well sure but cane can burn away and warp out because of its speed. And then drake doesnt kill anything. Yes cane dps will go down but still it can pop rifter from 40k with barrage. HAM drake cant kill anything from 40k.

Lol, no it cant. Get out of eft please. And a Brutix can't kill anything from 40km either, your point is?


Not using EFT. This happened in game. And my point was to say that cane can shoot upto 40k when drake cant. As the guy who i answered to was stating that drake does more dmg at 30k with HAMS.

Well it can. Because of Tracking Computer and Tracking Enhancer. Again, your argument is invalid.

Edit: And don't bring some BS about sacrificing tank or dps to use those modules, because that's what EVERY other ship has to do too to get that range.

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Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#3357 - 2012-09-28 09:45:36 UTC
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:


Quote:


I bought my meta 4 DC at 2 mill each. Problem?


Yea maybe you bought one. But its bullshit to say you get it with 2mil every day. Jita price is 5million. You know i also once sold stabber fleet issue hull with 100mils but it doesnt make it market price to go 100mil.

http://eve-marketdata.com/price_check.php?type_name_header=Internal+Force+Field+Array+I

Learn to observe the market bro. I bought 20 or something in Hek when the price was good.

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Retardo Khaan
Slow Motion.
#3358 - 2012-09-28 09:46:23 UTC
Quote:


That would be like the hurricane pilot saying "a drake doesnt have to fit faction mods to get a 100,000 EHP tank so neither should I"
The ships are different, stop trying to make them the same.


But thats the whole point of these nerfs. To balance them.. And it would balance them if cane would have to fit something like processor overcloking unit to be able to fit so many gyros and TE's.
Retardo Khaan
Slow Motion.
#3359 - 2012-09-28 09:48:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Retardo Khaan
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:


Quote:


I bought my meta 4 DC at 2 mill each. Problem?


Yea maybe you bought one. But its bullshit to say you get it with 2mil every day. Jita price is 5million. You know i also once sold stabber fleet issue hull with 100mils but it doesnt make it market price to go 100mil.

http://eve-marketdata.com/price_check.php?type_name_header=Internal+Force+Field+Array+I

Learn to observe the market bro. I bought 20 or something in Hek when the price was good.


I do know how to observe market thanks. But im not intrested finding stack of cheap meta 4 dcu's when price is lower than average as i dont even use them.

But then if we do like you. Cane costs only 20million because i build them myself from crap and i need only fit it. So 20mil cane vs 70mil drake.. Says cane is not only OP but its alot cheaper aswell.
Noemi Nagano
Perkone
Caldari State
#3360 - 2012-09-28 09:55:41 UTC
Sigras wrote:


That would be like the hurricane pilot saying "a drake doesnt have to fit faction mods to get a 100,000 EHP tank so neither should I"
The ships are different, stop trying to make them the same.


While I disagree with you in other points, this is pretty valid - the ships are different, stop trying to make them the same. I hope you see how contrary this statement is though to the intention of the OP Dev?

Missiles are one thing, turrets are another. Some things go well for missiles (easier PvE for example), some things go well for turrets. As a whole you can say this is for sure not Caldari-Online or Missiles-Online, but much more Winmatar-Online or Projectiles-Online. I object to the basic assumption of the OP, and to many others here. I pointed out why I think people feel like that and I feel many pilots see those changes with the same concerns like I do. Just because they actually play the game and not EFT.

best regards