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Kestutis Fujika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-09-23 15:28:07 UTC
What is more profitable now to mine ice or ore? Did some research with some apps , but to be sure wanted ask pro miners about it too. My goal is to get enough isk for plex in 60-80h.

Ps. I would mine in exumer lv4 with full orca suport.
Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#2 - 2012-09-23 15:39:11 UTC
Kestutis Fujika wrote:
What is more profitable now to mine ice or ore? Did some research with some apps , but to be sure wanted ask pro miners about it too. My goal is to get enough isk for plex in 60-80h.

Ps. I would mine in exumer lv4 with full orca suport.


well. considering getting 20 mil an hour mining veldspar isnt that hard, thats 1.2 bil after 60 hours
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-09-23 17:22:18 UTC
Ore, no question. Unless you need fuel for your POS, ice isn't worth the time. And mining ice is even more tedious than regular mining, if you can believe that.

There is a niche for ice miners: doing vertically-integrated manufacturing of fuel blocks. It's not the most exciting work, but if you have the infrastructure, mining ice for manufacturing fuel blocks can make decent ISK.
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#4 - 2012-09-23 17:31:12 UTC
Ice mining = For people who don't want to pay attention, when in a Mack.

This is because Ice doesn't pop. So you can set it up, then wander away for half an hour. This leads to low prices for ice.

Ore will get you more, because it requires more attention. You have to keep an eye on the roids, retarget when they pop and so on.

When using a hulk, you'll have to transfer ore every 2 cycles or so, so that's activity every 6 minutes.

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Pipa Porto
#5 - 2012-09-23 23:00:04 UTC
Kestutis Fujika wrote:
What is more profitable now to mine ice or ore? Did some research with some apps , but to be sure wanted ask pro miners about it too. My goal is to get enough isk for plex in 60-80h.

Ps. I would mine in exumer lv4 with full orca suport.


2 Mackinaws mining Ice will provide significantly more ISK/Effort than a Hulk/Orca mining Ice or Ore or 2 Mackinaws mining Ore.

2 Mackinaws mining Ore will provide significantly more ISK/Hr than a Hulk/Orca mining Ice or Ore or 2 Mackinaws mining Ice.

Until you have ~4 pilots, it's better to use more Mackinaws than it is to add an Orca.


Ice mining can bring in at least 10m ISK/Hr per Mack, so in ~60 mouse clicks (spread over as many hours) you can have both of your PLEXes.

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Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-09-23 23:52:12 UTC
Ice mining is only worth it if you are fully AFK mining (meaning checking your clien(s) every 20 +/- minutes). The isk/hour is much higher with ore than Ice. I'm not sure what the numbers are these days but Id guess ice prices are at (or soon to be again) about 1/2 highsec ore prices.

So if you're going to mine while at work, watching movies, etc then mine ice. If you want better isk but will be checking every few minutes mine ore.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#7 - 2012-09-24 13:47:05 UTC
Even with a mack with full ORCA boost you will have no problem making 20 mil an hour mining ORE. HULK will do a little better but more logistics to worry about.

An unboosted Mack can make a little over 10 mil an hour mining ice. But is much more afk friendly. A fully boosted Mack will probably do about 15 mil an hour on ice but can be done almost AFK. Alt tab back once every 20-30 minutes to drop off ice at station and you are good to go.

You can still easily do 40-50 mil an hour running level 4 missions if you are planing on being a little more ATK. A proper fit Domi with T2 sentries and dual rep can pretty much afk level 4 missions.

It all depends on how much attention you will be giving the game during those 60-80 hours. But what ever you choose to do, you should be able to pay a PLEX and have several hundred mil left over after 60-80 hours. A fully boosted Mack ice mining 80 hours a month should more than pay for two PLEX.
Kestutis Fujika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-09-24 16:47:36 UTC
Thx for info
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
#9 - 2012-09-24 17:06:55 UTC
i think the ice calculation is set a little bit high compared to current prices.
with a unboosted mack you have a cycletime around 170s wich translates to roughly 42 blocks/hour.
at current prices around 130k per block it only makes 5.5m per hour

with scordite or plagioclase you will get around 16m/h unboosted. 1339m³/min * ~205isk/m³ * 60m
drones will add another 4m

so dont go for ice except you are afking
Marsan
#10 - 2012-09-24 17:29:29 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
It all depends on how much attention you will be giving the game during those 60-80 hours. But what ever you choose to do, you should be able to pay a PLEX and have several hundred mil left over after 60-80 hours. A fully boosted Mack ice mining 80 hours a month should more than pay for two PLEX.


I really don't understand this sort of time investment for a PLEX wouldn't it be more fun to work an extra couple of hours a month and pay for an account??? Heck even in college waiting tables I'd make enough for eve's subscription fee in an hour....

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#11 - 2012-09-24 18:26:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
Marsan wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
It all depends on how much attention you will be giving the game during those 60-80 hours. But what ever you choose to do, you should be able to pay a PLEX and have several hundred mil left over after 60-80 hours. A fully boosted Mack ice mining 80 hours a month should more than pay for two PLEX.


I really don't understand this sort of time investment for a PLEX wouldn't it be more fun to work an extra couple of hours a month and pay for an account??? Heck even in college waiting tables I'd make enough for eve's subscription fee in an hour....


Breaking News, this just in,

Some of EVE on-lines players have developed scripts which allow them to automate some of the games most boring parts. CCP could stop this at any time by bringing in client updates like VAC to catch and ban these people. They don't because although botting is against the rules there are times and places where it's unofficially allowed.

If you run bots and don't take the **** CCP won't care. It's only when you A. RMT, B. **** off other players who in turn whine to CCP or C. Completely destroy a market. D. Talk about it on the forums :)

Another reason players do it is because yes you can do a crap job in the western world and pay for your sub in one hour sadly not everyone who mines lives in the free world and some have to make do with riducolously low wages so they would rather farm on an MMO. Asia and Africa Sad because if they were not farming veld for their sub they'd be out farming rice and if they were not mining ice they'd be out mining tin. When a tin mine collapses in RL you don't awake in a jump clone btw.
Pipa Porto
#12 - 2012-09-24 20:20:46 UTC
This just in, Brewlar spewing more ridiculous lies.

Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Breaking News, this just in,

Some of EVE on-lines players have developed scripts which allow them to automate some of the games most boring parts. CCP could stop this at any time by bringing in client updates like VAC to catch and ban these people. They don't because although botting is against the rules there are times and places where it's unofficially allowed.


Citation Needed.

Quote:
If you run bots and don't take the **** CCP won't care. It's only when you A. RMT, B. **** off other players who in turn whine to CCP or C. Completely destroy a market. D. Talk about it on the forums :)


Citation Needed.

Quote:
Another reason players do it is because yes you can do a crap job in the western world and pay for your sub in one hour sadly not everyone who mines lives in the free world and some have to make do with riducolously low wages so they would rather farm on an MMO. Asia and Africa Sad because if they were not farming veld for their sub they'd be out farming rice and if they were not mining ice they'd be out mining tin. When a tin mine collapses in RL you don't awake in a jump clone btw.


And now you're promoting RMT. Fascinating.

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Celgar Thurn
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#13 - 2012-09-25 16:05:35 UTC
With the improved AI coming to all NPC rats soon I foresee AFK mining/complex farming being more difficult or even impossible at some point. Not that I see anything wrong with that scenario. Smile
Kestutis Fujika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-09-25 18:24:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kestutis Fujika
Marsan wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
It all depends on how much attention you will be giving the game during those 60-80 hours. But what ever you choose to do, you should be able to pay a PLEX and have several hundred mil left over after 60-80 hours. A fully boosted Mack ice mining 80 hours a month should more than pay for two PLEX.


I really don't understand this sort of time investment for a PLEX wouldn't it be more fun to work an extra couple of hours a month and pay for an account??? Heck even in college waiting tables I'd make enough for eve's subscription fee in an hour....

Get real man . Plex pricing is based on uk or other richer country's or Eu. So for u it my not be much but for me its quite lot compare what i can by for same price. And why i would spend money for something i can get almost free .
And besides thous miners would be just for my alt rising so i though they can do some good too rather then lay dormant ant training

Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Marsan wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
It all depends on how much attention you will be giving the game during those 60-80 hours. But what ever you choose to do, you should be able to pay a PLEX and have several hundred mil left over after 60-80 hours. A fully boosted Mack ice mining 80 hours a month should more than pay for two PLEX.


I really don't understand this sort of time investment for a PLEX wouldn't it be more fun to work an extra couple of hours a month and pay for an account??? Heck even in college waiting tables I'd make enough for eve's subscription fee in an hour....


Breaking News, this just in,

Some of EVE on-lines players have developed scripts which allow them to automate some of the games most boring parts. CCP could stop this at any time by bringing in client updates like VAC to catch and ban these people. They don't because although botting is against the rules there are times and places where it's unofficially allowed.

If you run bots and don't take the **** CCP won't care. It's only when you A. RMT, B. **** off other players who in turn whine to CCP or C. Completely destroy a market. D. Talk about it on the forums :)

Another reason players do it is because yes you can do a crap job in the western world and pay for your sub in one hour sadly not everyone who mines lives in the free world and some have to make do with riducolously low wages so they would rather farm on an MMO. Asia and Africa Sad because if they were not farming veld for their sub they'd be out farming rice and if they were not mining ice they'd be out mining tin. When a tin mine collapses in RL you don't awake in a jump clone btw.


Well i am not that poor nor i farm for RMT. Hell i am living good life just that plex and most games pricing here is out this realm. I and stuck to pc anyways
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#15 - 2012-09-25 18:48:14 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Ice mining = For people who don't want to pay attention, when in a Mack.

This is because Ice doesn't pop. So you can set it up, then wander away for half an hour. This leads to low prices for ice.

Ore will get you more, because it requires more attention. You have to keep an eye on the roids, retarget when they pop and so on.

When using a hulk, you'll have to transfer ore every 2 cycles or so, so that's activity every 6 minutes.

With a hulk and good boosts from the Orca, you more than half fill the Hulk hold each cycle and a cycle lasts 122 seconds. You got to attend to the Hulk once every 2 minutes.

Also you want to check every cycle in any case so to re-target after a roid pops.

I run 2 hulks and an orca. The cycle, once every 2 minutes is:

When the strips cycle on the first Hulk, set strips on new roids for all that shut down due to roid depletion. Move ore to Orca.
Go to hulk #2, reset strips, move ore, target more roids if needed so they are locked for the next cycle.
Go to the Orca, move ore to a hold. If the roids are running out at this end of the belt, fly to the other end. (Hulks are set to follow the orca).
Go back to Hulk #1, target new roids if needed.
Kill any rats that popped up. Check out system traffic, watch TV, chat.

Repeat until the Orca is full.

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Sturmwolke
#16 - 2012-09-25 19:09:25 UTC
Try Veldspar mining (apologies to Chribba). There are plenty of huge Veldspar boulders if you find the right system(s).
They won't pop as fast, you could probably get in a whole load before one pops.
Kestutis Fujika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-09-28 09:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kestutis Fujika
Ok so i runned some numbers with isk per hour. and i always get ~4m for ice and ~15-16m for minerals. How to do u get 10m per ice and 20+ per ore?

P.s Used all 5 skills and exusumer 4lv with alomost perfect orca boost(orca lv 4)
Pipa Porto
#18 - 2012-09-28 09:13:27 UTC
Kestutis Fujika wrote:
Ok so i runned some numbers with isk per hour. and i always get ~4m for ice and ~15-16m for minerals. How to do u get 10m per ice and 20+ per ore?

P.s Used all 5 skills and exusumer 4lv with alomost perfect orca boost(orca lv 4)


Go back in time to when there was any significant possibility of loss when mining.

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Doomheim
#19 - 2012-09-30 20:51:34 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
Try Veldspar mining (apologies to Chribba). There are plenty of huge Veldspar boulders if you find the right system(s).
They won't pop as fast, you could probably get in a whole load before one pops.


this. I probably make around 9M an hour in my retty and it's semi AFK. I need to retarget once per load if I've scouted out some nice spots.

not a lot of cash for sure but for a casual player like myself it's more than enough.

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