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Eve ship mass, are they too light?
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Krakhen
Praetors of Orpheus
#1 - 2012-09-26 13:24:44 UTC
I was wondering if the materials used to build shipsin the Eve universe are lighter than our RL counterparts? Now I know it's fiction and all but maybe it's explained somewhere in the Eve lore? For example, a modern Nimitz-Class aircraft carrier comes in at 100 000 tons, the same as an Abaddon battleship but at one quarter the lenght (not to mention volume). So maybe the alloys in Eve are much lighter and at the same time more durable?

Anyway, just a super geeky question Lol
Velarra
#2 - 2012-09-26 14:45:20 UTC
While not strictly answering your question, http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tritanium might give a little insight into Eve ships and the metals used to create them. At the very least chalking it up to fictional mineral with curious properties may be one way to explain things.
Skorpynekomimi
#3 - 2012-09-26 16:05:11 UTC
No, because future material science, not needing to withstand vast amounts of pressure from gravity, and advanced nanotech construction methods.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-09-26 16:06:59 UTC
Krakhen wrote:
I was wondering if the materials used to build shipsin the Eve universe are lighter than our RL counterparts? Now I know it's fiction and all but maybe it's explained somewhere in the Eve lore? For example, a modern Nimitz-Class aircraft carrier comes in at 100 000 tons, the same as an Abaddon battleship but at one quarter the lenght (not to mention volume). So maybe the alloys in Eve are much lighter and at the same time more durable?

Anyway, just a super geeky question Lol



Tried fitting a large armor rep on a nimitz-class carrier. didnt work.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#5 - 2012-09-26 16:22:05 UTC
Krakhen wrote:
I was wondering if the materials used to build shipsin the Eve universe are lighter than our RL counterparts?


Mass and volume in the EVE universe differ significantly from our universe.
Fleet Warpsujarento
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-09-26 16:26:23 UTC
Yeah, EVE volumes and masses are ridiculous.

IIRC most of the ships would float like a hot air balloon if they actually had that little mass.
Skorpynekomimi
#7 - 2012-09-27 07:57:10 UTC
Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:
Yeah, EVE volumes and masses are ridiculous.

IIRC most of the ships would float like a hot air balloon if they actually had that little mass.


Which they would. Briefly. Before they disintegrated due to the structural members burning.

Or did you forget that tritanium is pyrophoric and unstable in an oxygen atmosphere?

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Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#8 - 2012-09-27 11:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
also bear in mind thousands of years of research in to physics and alloys beyond any thing we have now.


Imagine the Possibilities of just aluminium and poly carbon just a 1000 years ago, you would have been a god compered to what they were working with. and heaven forbid you had 2 years of tech school so you could make the materials in to functional things to use in trade/war/agricultural/industrial.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#9 - 2012-09-27 12:22:30 UTC
And all this assumes that after a space of several thousand years, a trip through the eve gate to a new galaxy, the near-destruction of the new colonies when the gate collapsed, independent evolution of the seperated factions, Jove infuence, several major wars, and another few thousand years, that the metric system has remained completely unchanged and is standardized across all factions.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#10 - 2012-09-27 13:55:29 UTC
feihcsiM wrote:
And all this assumes that after a space of several thousand years, a trip through the eve gate to a new galaxy, the near-destruction of the new colonies when the gate collapsed, independent evolution of the seperated factions, Jove infuence, several major wars, and another few thousand years, that the metric system has remained completely unchanged and is standardized across all factions.


Thank Amarr.

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Dread Pirate Pete
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-09-27 14:00:10 UTC
feihcsiM wrote:
And all this assumes that after a space of several thousand years, a trip through the eve gate to a new galaxy, the near-destruction of the new colonies when the gate collapsed, independent evolution of the seperated factions, Jove infuence, several major wars, and another few thousand years, that the metric system has remained completely unchanged and is standardized across all factions.



Just give up and admit measuring things with your feet and thumbs is silly. Blink
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-09-27 14:33:15 UTC
This is the part that bothers me about "physics" in EVE.
"Wikipeia" wrote:
The main building block in space structures. A very hard, yet bendable metal. Cannot be used in human habitats due to its instability at atmospheric temperatures. Very common throughout the world.


So if it becomes unstable at atmospheric temperatures then how does it withstand being hit by all the weapons that generally tend to hit ships' armors?

Now I'll grant that lasers might be "cold" compared to how we understand them (and ignoring the fact that EVE lasers are more like plasma weapons or charged particle emitters than real lasers) given that 80-90f (30-35c) would be enough to make tritanium "unstable," but what about missiles or hybrid weapons? Hell, for that matter some projectile weapon ammo relies on creating miniature nuclear explosions. I don't think I've ever heard of a "cold" nuclear explosion.
Donnerjack Wolfson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-09-27 18:07:43 UTC
feihcsiM wrote:
And all this assumes that after a space of several thousand years, a trip through the eve gate to a new galaxy, the near-destruction of the new colonies when the gate collapsed, independent evolution of the seperated factions, Jove infuence, several major wars, and another few thousand years, that the metric system has remained completely unchanged and is standardized across all factions.

That's because the metric system makes ******* sense.

Goddamn imperial units hnngh
Donnerjack Wolfson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-09-27 18:08:57 UTC
Shereza wrote:
This is the part that bothers me about "physics" in EVE.
"Wikipeia" wrote:
The main building block in space structures. A very hard, yet bendable metal. Cannot be used in human habitats due to its instability at atmospheric temperatures. Very common throughout the world.


So if it becomes unstable at atmospheric temperatures then how does it withstand being hit by all the weapons that generally tend to hit ships' armors?

Now I'll grant that lasers might be "cold" compared to how we understand them (and ignoring the fact that EVE lasers are more like plasma weapons or charged particle emitters than real lasers) given that 80-90f (30-35c) would be enough to make tritanium "unstable," but what about missiles or hybrid weapons? Hell, for that matter some projectile weapon ammo relies on creating miniature nuclear explosions. I don't think I've ever heard of a "cold" nuclear explosion.

The armoring is ablative, and not tritanium, IIRC.

Also, a very small nuclear explosion is practically indistinguishable from a certain sized normal explosion (don't ask me how big I don't have access to my data tables)
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#15 - 2012-09-27 18:57:50 UTC
Shereza wrote:
This is the part that bothers me about "physics" in EVE.
"Wikipeia" wrote:
The main building block in space structures. A very hard, yet bendable metal. Cannot be used in human habitats due to its instability at atmospheric temperatures. Very common throughout the world.


So if it becomes unstable at atmospheric temperatures then how does it withstand being hit by all the weapons that generally tend to hit ships' armors?

Now I'll grant that lasers might be "cold" compared to how we understand them (and ignoring the fact that EVE lasers are more like plasma weapons or charged particle emitters than real lasers) given that 80-90f (30-35c) would be enough to make tritanium "unstable," but what about missiles or hybrid weapons? Hell, for that matter some projectile weapon ammo relies on creating miniature nuclear explosions. I don't think I've ever heard of a "cold" nuclear explosion.

Last I checked, nukes were a lot hotter than normal atmospheric temperatures.

However, in some sort of backstory bit (can't remember where) its clarified that it is atmospheric oxygen that causes the issue, not the temperature.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#16 - 2012-09-29 09:42:19 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
No, because future material science, not needing to withstand vast amounts of pressure from gravity, and advanced nanotech construction methods.


This.
Skorpynekomimi
#17 - 2012-09-30 09:31:03 UTC
Donnerjack Wolfson wrote:
Shereza wrote:
This is the part that bothers me about "physics" in EVE.
"Wikipeia" wrote:
The main building block in space structures. A very hard, yet bendable metal. Cannot be used in human habitats due to its instability at atmospheric temperatures. Very common throughout the world.


So if it becomes unstable at atmospheric temperatures then how does it withstand being hit by all the weapons that generally tend to hit ships' armors?

Now I'll grant that lasers might be "cold" compared to how we understand them (and ignoring the fact that EVE lasers are more like plasma weapons or charged particle emitters than real lasers) given that 80-90f (30-35c) would be enough to make tritanium "unstable," but what about missiles or hybrid weapons? Hell, for that matter some projectile weapon ammo relies on creating miniature nuclear explosions. I don't think I've ever heard of a "cold" nuclear explosion.

The armoring is ablative, and not tritanium, IIRC.

Also, a very small nuclear explosion is practically indistinguishable from a certain sized normal explosion (don't ask me how big I don't have access to my data tables)


Yield of nuclear weapons is measured in the equivalent of tons in TNT that it would take to replicate the blast. Hence, the kiloton or megaton as a measurement of yield.
Yes, thousands or millions of tons of TNT.

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CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#18 - 2012-09-30 23:52:43 UTC
Wouldn't combining tritanium with other minerals stop its volatile nature? Just like combining carbon steel with chromium to make stainless steel which is much more resistant to rust and corrosion compared to regular steel.