EVE General Discussion

It is relevant because it means I can easily find myself in a situation where I can use the launchers but not the ammo because I don't have Torps V.

Two different weapon systems use different training strategy as far as depth and breadth are concerned. It means your basic assumption — that T2 missiles are easier to train for — isn't entirely correct.

Actually, it does. You are asking why T2 missiles are easy to train into. We are telling you that they're not, for a number of reasons. This difference isn't particularly odd since we're talking about two completely different skill categories for weapons that use completely different mechanics (and, of course, drones offer a third set of skills and mechanics, which also operate differently from these first two).

Doesn't matter. You still don't need the skill to use the launcher.

…and this is a tangent based on your (incorrect) assumption that the skills required for one are the same as for the other, when there are crucial differences — the SP exposure and the risk of losing the equipment due to being podded is one of them. Hand-waving this difference just because you have to go past one of the skills to get to the other means you're not fully appreciating one of the key differences between turrets and missiles — a difference that is rather crucial to answering your original question.

If it's so easy, do it. It's not as if you can choose torpedoes V as a skill to lose if you're silly enough to lose SP, and you're now just nitpicking.


This is a tangent which has no relevance to the original subject. A tangent is a tangent and therefore can have no relevance. Why do I care about the SP exposure and risk of losing equipment when I'm talking about training times?



An original question which clearly stated "skill into". "Missiles" was just a general name for launchers as well as projectiles, as shown in the OP.

However, I'll accept your point that guns and missiles have different training trees.

and also after thinking about this 2 seconds more


what is this annoying attitude about everything having to be fair

so you like missile ships? fly one
things should be diverse, different - not all the goddamn same
if ccp would listen to ... people with your attitude only, we would end up with a perfectly balanced game where everybody is the same and the difference is the goddamn color of the ship

the TRICK, the SKILL and the POINT of a balanced game play is the fact that not everybody does the same thing and its not all the same. making everything the same is not fair or balanced, it is frankly just boring.


i though one of the best things in EVE was the fact that missiles mix everything up - but thanks to whining complainers like you that is being fixed and soon "turret disruption" will work on missiles - thanks again for that, this start to look a like a blizzard forum



so here you go, screw this "loud minority ****" - screw balance, screw fair, focus more on diversity and less on balance - i want less balance and i want it now!

make lasers ignore shield and projectile turrets get a penalty shooting on a shield, stir some stuff up before we end up with 200 ships that all do the same

Rockets-> HAMs -> Torpedoes

LMs-> HMs-> CMs

What I want to know is if I should train T2 torps (torp to V is a no-brainer, should I specialize?) for SBs and, if I do, what else are they good for?

Ravens. This question arose from training an alt into T2 torps for a bomber.

Away from caldari there is no clear missile path, its a secondary weapon.
You can learn specific missile sizes because of selective ships.
Just as you can train up Heavy t2 drones before light and med.
When you learn heavy turrets, you have learned medium and small as every race has a clear path of turret ships.

See, this is the answer I was looking for. Could do without the rant queens and forumlords next time, please. Cheers Beef!

Because bombers would require you to get rockets V, HAMs V and then torps V... All to fly a t2-fit T2 frigate.

When these skills were designed (read: pre T3), the primary reason to train missiles was to get into a Raven and run level 4 missions.

So in CCP think, it works like this:

-We need subs.
-Carebears, who are our primary customers, want to run missions.
-L1 to L3 missions suck ass
-We must be able to get them into a torp Raven before they get bored and unsub.
-Guns are for PVP. Those nerds aren't going anywhere.

So you end up being able to train up PVE much quicker. And historically PVE means Caldari. And Caldari means missles.

No other real reason for the disparity that I can think of that makes better sense than this.

Mr Epeen