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On Dust514 and why it will save Eve (and therefore CCP)

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Mal Mandrake
Space Goat Likes it Rough
#41 - 2011-10-16 22:06:44 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
This can in fact be a double edged sword where you actually need balance. You can't have either game affecting the other to much, but enough to make it interesting.

Imagine if right now someone from another game could take control of your POS with a raiding party and the only way you can really do anything about it is play that game as well, or get someone else in it to fight for you, does that sound inviting?

The concept of the EVE/Dust514 interaction sounds good in theory, but the implementation needs to be done correctly. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.



Yep. My guess is there will be two control elements, the TCU and some TCU link/power/supply/anchor blah blah on a planet, you have to have both to take a system. If it is just one, then Eve or Dust won't matter, but if you have to have both, then both matter.

Hopefully it is not just as simple as that, maybe each habitable planet has to have some switch flipped as well, plus the TCU things, so there is a multi-phased buld up. While feets are going after the SBUs, grunts aer going after the habitable planets, then both team up on some sort of linked TCU assault.

If dustbunnies can be bombed, and perhaps only from the warp in location on a planet, and that they can only take a planet while an SBU is being attacked, then maybe fleets will need to split up some too.



My money is on that Dust will be just about PI, and nothing to do with space battles of any sort. Also nothing to do with sov, or taking ownership of systems.
Mal Mandrake
Space Goat Likes it Rough
#42 - 2011-10-16 22:19:44 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:

1) Dust will be free-to-play and therefore has no revenue for CCP
2) It's only on 1 platform, alienating the rest of the potential gamers
3) Why would a PS3 owner suddenly decide to purchase a PC or MAC to play one game? That's a lot of investment, dontcha think?
4) How long until one of 5,000 + member alliances decide to infiltrate some PS3 owners forums and find out when and where they will be 'playing' Dust - and nuke them from orbit? Two weeks? Heck, someone could even pay mercenaries in EVE to do it. Would be kind of ironic that PS3 players would be kicked in the teeth by the right-click of a mouse...
5) CCP marketing department
6) Lack of funds.


1.) If by free to play you mean it costs 60 dollars to buy... then yes. (Console game revenue is derived from sales and map packs alone)

2.)True, but that is the way of exclusives.

3.)Umm... You think console owners don't own a PC as well? Are you serious? All those xbox and ps3 forums must be fictitious.

4.)There will be balance and control to this. Ever used a nuke in SC? or an orbital strike in Command and Conquer? or a killstreak in CoD? Also I imagine you won't be able to orbital bombard in highsec. (Which raises an interesting point on Dust in highsec in general.)

5.)Eve trailers are amongst the highest quality out there.

6.)I don't have access to any budgeting documents sent by CCP, if you have access please share.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2011-10-16 22:44:47 UTC
Haven't read the whole thread but my 2 cents: I only started playing EvE to give me a better understanding of the mechanics of DUST 514 when it's released. Since then I've begun to really like EvE and have no plans on canceling my acct when I start playing DUST. I'd bet there's quite a few out there like me.
SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Zero For 0wned
#44 - 2011-10-16 23:10:59 UTC
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I read this as mehehe sad epic fail guy'd csm

Dont mind me,  just touching your stuff.
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2011-10-17 00:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Twylla
You realize it's going to be three years before they suddenly remembered they were going to do some kind of hookup-fangled thing between EVE-online and DUST 514, but it'll be put off another two years before they half-implement every other 'best idea of the century' they've cooked up to keep the sheep occupied.. i mean, player base.

Possibilities:

1. CCP is set and ready to receive everything DUST 514 has to offer on time.
Odds: HA-HA-HA yeah right.

2. CCP's DUST 514 Team is sharper than the EVE Online team, and will sit around with their thumbs up their collective arses with DUST 514 ready to rock'n'roll while they try to explain to Hilmar why the Iclandic team is doing a good job.
Odds: More likely than 1.

3. CCP's DUST 514 Team is as competant or less competant than the Incarna developers, and we're looking forward to not only zero effective linkup between EVE Online and DUST 514, but a painfully short, thin skinned single player experience that will be retired faster than the Duke Nukem Forever hype.
Odds: Still more likely than 1, but I HOPE less likely than 2.

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Lex Alandar
Q Division Five
#46 - 2011-10-17 01:58:16 UTC
I think CCP is also counting on us, the eve playerbase, to recruit DUST gamers for them.

I have plenty of gamer friends, but only a small handful have ever been remotely interested in EVE. I imagine at least some of them will be playing dust when it comes out. Most of them have been very interested when I told them about it.

The competition concerns are still there, but games that stand on their own can do ok, even in our over-saturated dumbed-down shooter market.

Let's just hope CCP makes it a damn good game. The rest should take care of itself.
CCP Shadow
C C P
C C P Alliance
#47 - 2011-10-17 02:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Shadow
Joseph Dreadloch wrote:
DUST 514 is going to sink CCP, it will not compete in the world of console shooters. It will have a population of a couple thousand players who happen to be EVE players who own a PS3.

What happens to DUST 514 and EVE a year after its launch, when BF5 and CoD13 launch?


Hey Nostradamus! As long as you're predicting the future, do you also have any winning lottery numbers for next summer? Blink I'm kidding, but you do raise a point that I see quite a bit. One thing I think a lot of people are overlooking is that the DUST 514 player base isn't going to be entirely comprised of people who are playing EVE already. There is a great deal of interest in DUST 514 among PlayStation gamers and the future is not as gloomy as how you're picturing it.

Also, DUST 514 is a different type of game from Battlefield: Something and Call of Duty: Another Something, just as EVE Online is a different game from World of Warcraft. EVE and WoW may both be MMOs but EVE appeals to a different type of player. I do love the Battlefield titles, I play a fair amount of Black Ops, and Halo Reach has consumed a great deal of my free time. Actually I'm still playing Reach... must... have... 100% armory completion.... They're all great games in their own way, all fantastic shooters, but they don't have some of the hooks that DUST 514 will, particularly in terms of world impact and depth.

Edit: Even with the morning coffee I still spelled Nostradamus wrong. But I did want to add that we do understand your viewpoint on CCP entering a very competitive market and we fully understand that there are a number of challenges ahead for us. I do appreciate your candor. I read everything people are saying about DUST 514, the good and the bad. Just keep it coming, it is helpful. Thanks.

-- Shadow
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CCP Shadow
C C P
C C P Alliance
#48 - 2011-10-17 02:34:20 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
... its core target audience are those who want play have more meaning and value in the experience...


Exactly. Smile
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CCP Shadow
C C P
C C P Alliance
#49 - 2011-10-17 02:35:45 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Shadow
Flamespar wrote:
How dare someone say something positive about CCP or Dust514 on these forums. [...]

Naughty, naughty OP


Ten points to Gryffindor.
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CCP Shadow
C C P
C C P Alliance
#50 - 2011-10-17 02:37:52 UTC
non judgement wrote:
BLACK-STAR wrote:
We all know CCP is too slow to deliver feasible content in a short amount of time, what's wrong with your head if you think CCP is committed to a constant explosion of new content simultaneously to EVE and DUST and keep both boats afloat? They can't.

Isn't CCP Shanghai doing the Dust side of things?
Why can't they keep working on Dust?


That's right. CCP Shanghai is largely focused on DUST 514, but we also have people dedicated to EVE in China here too. 
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CCP Shadow
C C P
C C P Alliance
#51 - 2011-10-17 02:44:46 UTC
boseo wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:

If for example we are able to bomb dustbunnies out of extinction at random and they have no way of fighting back then Dust will fail.

I mean this Eve, a game were people love griefing those who cant fight back so imagine what it would be like for those playing dust would be.



BTW it has been said that if we can shoot them they can shoot back, as that question was asked after This Video (the bit from 1:55)


I haven't checked the video link, but what you said is correct. 
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Mal Mandrake
Space Goat Likes it Rough
#52 - 2011-10-17 02:51:55 UTC
CCP Shadow, do you have any comments on the accuracy of my original post?
CCP Shadow
C C P
C C P Alliance
#53 - 2011-10-17 03:00:24 UTC
Mal Mandrake wrote:
CCP Shadow, do you have any comments on the accuracy of my original post?


I can't say much about the PI stuff you mentioned - more of the specifics of game mechanics will be revealed closer to DUST 514's launch.

I already see those with an interest in DUST 514 also asking a lot of questions about EVE. Whether or not that means there'd be an influx of DUST players into EVE isn't something I can predict, though of course I'd like to see this happen. Corps will exist in both EVE and DUST, as you mentioned they're actually the same corps, and can have both capsuleers and mercs. 
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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#54 - 2011-10-17 03:17:09 UTC
CCP Shadow wrote:
Mal Mandrake wrote:
CCP Shadow, do you have any comments on the accuracy of my original post?


I can't say much about the PI stuff you mentioned - more of the specifics of game mechanics will be revealed closer to DUST 514's launch.

I already see those with an interest in DUST 514 also asking a lot of questions about EVE. Whether or not that means there'd be an influx of DUST players into EVE isn't something I can predict, though of course I'd like to see this happen. Corps will exist in both EVE and DUST, as you mentioned they're actually the same corps, and can have both capsuleers and mercs.


I bet there is... mmmm... fresh meat for the grinder...

Anyone who has played Halo enough though has encountered those with the auto-unlimited-round sniper rifles on guys that are 20x faster than you... I wonder how long it will be before I find myself up against an ibis w/ 8 citadel torp launchers w/ perfect tracking and a .1 second rate of fire....

*sigh* ...could be petition city.

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Tainted Karma
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-10-17 04:23:47 UTC
PI = Farmville for EvE
Joseph Dreadloch
Dread Space Inc.
#56 - 2011-10-17 04:26:12 UTC
CCP Shadow wrote:


Hey Nostradamus! As long as you're predicting the future, do you also have any winning lottery numbers for next summer


6 - 11 - 20 - 37 - 70
CCP Shadow
C C P
C C P Alliance
#57 - 2011-10-17 04:36:12 UTC
Joseph Dreadloch wrote:
CCP Shadow wrote:


Hey Nostradamus! As long as you're predicting the future, do you also have any winning lottery numbers for next summer


6 - 11 - 20 - 37 - 70


I'll split the winnings with you. Though I have some necessary expenses to handle first. Twisted
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mkint
#58 - 2011-10-17 05:28:47 UTC
CCP Shadow wrote:
we fully understand that there are a number of challenges ahead for us.

Just like you understood there would be challenges with MT? How'd that go for you btw?

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Akelorian
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
#59 - 2011-10-17 06:07:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Akelorian
Hi there, this is Akelorian

I understand that you think dust 514 will save eve online, but I have some information for you. As soon as someone deems a weapon overpowered there will be a collection of retards that will spam every forum they can think of about how its too powerful, because they RMT'd the income from their isk printers instead of using the isk to properly arm their troops.

There will be many changes and nerfing of DUST because people will call shenanigans and claim that a sniper rifle is the iwin button of the game, in which case ccp will nerf it so that its the ps3 version of farmville.

"Raise your sheep to sacrifice it to ccp to remain in control of this planet!"

That is how DUST 514 will end up with the current changes being implemented by CCP Devs, don't say it wont happen, it will, it has happened in eve, dust will not be any different.

Best regards,

Akelorian
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#60 - 2011-10-17 06:09:53 UTC
DUST 514, further making wspace PI extremely profitable.