Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Gallente is not supposed to buffer armor tank at all, this race is supposed to favour active armor tanking, aka loltanking, but the ships can be viably shield tanked as well.

I agree with you that the tanks unbalanced, but CCP has abandoned any efforts to improve the situation, and instead focused on introducing new ways to shield tank ships.

So instead of banging my head to the wall, I adapt and fit shield tank. Even on the Myrm :S

5 Med slots there! Nothing to brag about except for the wasted bonust.

CCP Fozzie, i suppose that you ll be paying much more attention with the missiles, but i have a question about the omen.
I think the new omen is cool, it has a nice fitting now, but i don't understand the 5% rate of fire bonus, i mean.
Why not a 5% damage bonus?

I can understand a 5% of rate of fire in a ship with missiles or projectile weapons, but a ship with lasers with a 5% rate of fire, like the omen, or the armageddon...
It is a ship that has a bonus of 10% to the turret capacitor use, and on the other hand a 5% rate of fire, that is the same that use a 25% more cap with your turrets to do a 25% more dps, at the same time you use 50% less capacitor with your turrets to be able to fit lasers.
I think it's a contradiction, it ll have more sense to put a 5% damage bonus like many gallente ships.

Or maybe I should think that amarr engineers haven't common sense?

You do get a better DSP increase with ROF opposed to Damage Increase but I think you have a good point on this. Also the Damage Increase would give it a higher alpha if you are going beam. So maybe not a bad idea.

Good idea...right now in small scale combat meta armor are not so widely used. This might help it.

Keep the speed penalty on trimarks, half speed penalty on resists and no speed penalty on rep ones. Then give an additional prop mod cap consumption penalty to rep rigs, half of that penalty resist rigs, and no additional penalty on trimarks.

But what is the worse issue, armor tanking is crap, of shield tanking is op?

Would be lovely, fits nicely with Zealot bonuses .. but .. what about the Nomen's then, as is or internalize and swap for tracking to not only suit the zone they are meant for but to set them apart from Zeal/Omen?

Armour tanking is not crap, just outdated. It is perfectly suited for Eve of 4-5 years ago when the largest fleets around were the size of big gangs of today .. cycle times on active reps and delay on RR makes armour scale really badly.

On the small scale however, armour rules supreme. Frees up the desirable mids and damage thrown around is generally low enough for reps/rr to keep on top of things.
Question is how to make armour 'better' without breaking it for either large or small scale.

PS: Armour is still the preferred type for fleet slugfests due to free mids and the fact that most gunboats can get higher EHP out of lows than mids .. just so damn easy to outflank trimark fatties

Both, really. Shield tanking via ASB is OP as hell, but armor tanking's not exactly doing well for itself. I think most of it comes down to the differences between extender/plates and the rig penalties. All the penalties on those modules/rigs are meant to make you easier to hit because either your sig goes up or you're moving slower. However, the moving slower penalty has some tremendous knock-on effects - namely the fact that mobility is key for both getting into and staying out of range. I don't think there's any way they can fix armor tanking until they tackle that problem.

It'll be interesting to see what direction they lean on it.

-Liang

really another ship with velocity to missle why ? especialy now that the heavy missle recieved a nerf and that of the fury in dmg potential i mean really ? is there any point in flying missle boats any more ?

I disagree allot with the small gang armor tanking is dead, I find allot of targetsget away because absolutely no one brings a web, everything is nanoed and linked out the A$$, I fly armor SFIs and dule TD armor jags all over the place, because if you can land decent tackle on a nano bugger they die, if you can TD them to force them to get closer or leave, and if you cant hold a target down then i usualy ends up being waisted effort. To many people lose ships in the fruitless effort of chasign down a nano ship in a slower nano ship.

Back on topic of the curent cruisers, while the Stabber may make up for the lack of bonused 5th gun with 2 unbonused, it still lacks severly in the drone department, even to the caldari ship. 20m3 should be minimal