Missions & Complexes

And its the fact.

2 tengus 5 drakes waiting to be sold...

Btw theres always ferox we can use.. Oh wait.. Not...

Loki will become FOTM after Tengu nerf. I already encounter more Lokis on roams than I do Tengus.

Expect Loki to be nerfed next (hopefully CCP doesn't get the bright idea to nerf projectiles like it has done with HML's)

CCP loves to cut off an arm to cure an infected finger.

I'm going to continue flying around in my newbie ships, shooting rockets and light missiles, blissfully unaware

STFU dude, dont give them ideas.
Good thing I skilled ACs to the max on both accounts, so HML nerf wont hit me so hard, but if they nerf ACs, I honestly will have nothing left.

Incoming heavy missile nerf and how you plan to handle it......


...Gonna Fit a Ham Armour Drake and go Roam!

hey im more than 50% way through BC 5 for my nighthawk because of the incoming tengu nerf and now they pull this crap on me i want my 18 days of training back. the night hawks dps isnt any better than a caracals dps now.

I have to agree here. I would further suggest the need to reduce their explosion radius and increase their explosion velocity accordingly as well to keep them as an actual improvement over HAMs or even t2 LMs. Yes I am aware of the parallel changes to tracking enhancers and disruptors. But that opens another whole can of worms, not the least of which was that I saw the immunity to EWAR as being what made missiles really worth the extra ISK cost per shot and extra cargo space to haul so many of them around. With their reductions to effectiveness to the levels of artillery and other stuff that costs less cargo space to haul ammo/crystals for as well as the cheaper cost of ammo vs missiles, it makes MLs even less attractive of a weapons platform.

I currently use 2 to 3 HMLs on my various ships and this "nerf" combined with the continued use/availability of Defender missiles renders them nearly useless DPS-wise compared to other MLs and/or weapons systems. Why is there a need to nerf this anyway when there is a valid counter with Defender missiles? If this is considered OP then warp scramblers need a heavy nerf or their counter a heavy boost considering they make the counter to WS's unusable by the heavy penalties. Defenders have no such penalties and anybody can use them to reduce the effectiveness of MLs already. It just seems they rather whine about not wanting to expend the high-slots to do so.

Perhaps they need to put in phalanx defense guns that can also shoot down incoming projectiles like artillery/railgun projectiles as well for balance? After all, if they are reducing the damage from HMs to bring them in line with the DPS of projectiles/beam weapons then those weapons should have additional counters as well. Could use something like "smokescreen" generators that emit clouds of fine crystals to difuse beam weapons as well.

I really don't understand the need to reduce the damage on HMLs? If the problem is the Drakes and Tengus as I see so many people complain (I am Amarr and Minmatar for my 2 toons so have never tried them) then make adjustments there to the # of launchers they can have or their bonuses to reduce their DPS.

Incoming heavy missile nerf and how you plan to handle it.

I will continue training gunnery and non-caldari spaceship command skills, as I have been doing for the last couple of years.

wow, did you really just call the removal of drones while adding more than 50% DPS to dreads a nerf??
if that is so, i wish CCP would 'nerf' all my ships.

@Jack Milton
Yes i did, for the same reason that people are trying to convince us that this range/dps nerf is instead a buff or bringing it in line.

They removed drones to "lighten" the load on servers but rebalanced the ship, as rumors say, now missile make a uber unbalance and they get nerfed to hell and so do the ships. That makes sense?




Missiles have good dmg projection, but a lot of flaws along the way.
Time to impact, explosion vel/radius on target sig/speed. Can be outrun, can be destroyed, cant critt.

Nerf range? Ok, who did do PvP from extreme ranges? Like 70k+? Fleets did.
And since we are missing 70+km scram, that range is useless in small scale PvP. You have to hold down the target somehow.
Cruises have 250km range, but nobody is crying about them since they are useless.

Nerf dmg? Ok, since they are so OP, why do people do graphs in Eft and Pyfa showing how drake can dish out 400dps, and never factor in travel time? By the time first salvo hits, the target did shoot back twice.

Drake has 6.5 sec RoF, so fire first salvo 0 sec....4-5 sec flight time and impact, at 6.5 sec drake fires second time, wait 4-5 sec for impact and so on.
Target, fires at same time as drake, 0 sec, instahit, 6 sec reload (example), fire - isntahit.
The longer the combat goes on, instahit weapons have more advantages.
Lets not apply this toL4 missions, since they are proven to be doable in a T2 frigate.


Now come the "sure hit" from missiles vs other weapons falloff.
Missiles hit but if target is moving, the dmg is reduced. Projectiles hit but dmg is reduced by distance.

I dont mind the change, honestly, what I mind is overnerf, since all CCPs history shows an endless cycle of stuff nerfed to uselessness. Then wait a crapload of time to address it, like "incursions super ISK maker", then nerfed to crap, then buffed again.
Faction warfare was mediocre, then new system goes up, CCP made FW a perfect moneymaker. Goons found a way to exploit it, kudos to them.
People are earning billions per week with a 8 day old char. And dont think they are stopping there, accounts and alts are being made and FW is being milked dry to the bone.
Hence the increased prices from LP payout. Every few days a transport dies with 10-20 bill of implants in it. Hundreds of implants. And the problem is still not fixed.

Now imagine a ruined HM nerf, ruined ships with a bad panic re-balance, and how long does it take for them to fix? Nighthawk uses HMLs, didn't see the CCPs announcement of Nighthawk re-balance since this is gonna impact the ship. Do we wait for 6 months for a balance? This is what i am afraid off.