Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Obviously not.

i get it... you want to strap a capital class weapon to a noob ship basically. i get that your version of the torpedo launcher is different from a bomb launcher, and has to be used in close, but you could in theory fit a stealth bomber to do exactly what you are trying to do. don't fit the cloak or bomb launcher fill your lows with BCUs add a prop mod and a few TPs and you have almost exactly waht you are talking about.

we already have torpedoes... they are called torpedoes. A torpedo boat in the real world used the same torpedoes (or smaller in some cases) as other larger ships, it was just small and maneuverable compared to other ships. it was also hard to detect because in choppy waters it was hard to see. and radar didn't pick it up very well.

minus the specifics of your new and different torpedo launcher that doesn't need to exsist a stealth bomber will do exactly waht you want if you fit it differently/badly. lets compare

your ship stealth bomber
fragile fragile
tiny tiny
High DPS "torpedoes" high DPS torpedoes
ckose range only close or long range depending on fit
no cloak ever can fit cloak
no bomb launcher bomb launcher
Noob friendly can be flown effectively in a few months if you are focused

so basically the stealth bomber can do everything you want this new ship to do, but better and with more versatility and it only takes a few months to be able to fly it well despite the fact that it is a highly specialized role (mirroring reality as well, the brown water navy are some of the most highly skilled people i have met)

seems to me you should just accept this idea is not such a good one as there as already a ship that does the same job and then some, even if it doesn't do quite as much DPS as you were hoping, and if you want it to fly exactly like you have described, fit it like this


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Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Nova Rage Torpedo
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, EMP S
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, EMP S

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I

757 DPS with less than 1500 EHP. you fly that puppy as close as you want to whatever you want

I see what OP is saying.
give us a bomber more tank more speed but no cloak or bomb launcher.
stealth bombers are more like submarines, they basically surface, unload and try to dissapear before noticed/attacked

give us an assault frig with 2 torp launchers and 2 guns? it be wierd ship but it could work.

This is the dumbest thread ever.



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Estamel's Modified Co-Processor
Estamel's Modified Co-Processor
Estamel's Modified Co-Processor
Estamel's Modified Co-Processor
Estamel's Modified Co-Processor
Estamel's Modified Co-Processor
Estamel's Modified Co-Processor
Estamel's Modified Co-Processor

Brokara's Modified Cap Recharger
Brokara's Modified Cap Recharger
Brokara's Modified Cap Recharger
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger

'Smokescreen' Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Judgement
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Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
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The big difference between Bombs and Torpedoes, is the fact that the Bombs are untargeted and yes, they have an AOE and do much damage to many smaller things, if they hit them. They also do a heck of a hit on larger craft in the vicinity; 8000 Thermal is nothing to scoff at I think. That being said, it's not the guns of an Arti Tornado.

30 km in space, is pretty close, the SBs Torps are from past 50km with good skills. How is a sneaky sub, sneaking, not stealth? Elephants like bananas, and you are what you eat.

(Actually, genetically, we are all 50% in common with the banana, sharing most of the same genome with it, and every other living thing on Earth.)

What the **** are you talking about?
This isn't about realism or "historical accuracy" (lol), it's about taking a concept that existed in real life and applying it to the game to make it more fun and interesting and add variety.

Regarding the other posts above: I'll accept that bombs are meant to be used against large targets and not small ones - I did only return to the game a couple of weeks ago after being gone for years. From what I've seen, a handful of well-placed bombs will wipe out all of the smaller ships in a battle, while only doing moderate damage to the larger ships, but I'm not so stubborn that I won't take your word for it that they're useful against large ships as well. In any case, even if they are meant to be used against larger ships, they are still significantly different from what I've proposed, in the ways I've already explained (30km range, AoE, carried by stealth vessels...).

Just because something happens to exist in the game that is *vaguely* similar doesn't mean that adding a new type of ship is a bad idea - and no matter how loud you yell, it's not going to change the fact that there are some *very* large, fundamental differences between stealth bombers and the torpedo boats that I'm proposing. Torpedo boats would basically be noob-friendly paper-thin kamikaze ships, and their addition (along with a role bonus to destroyers to counter them) would improve the usefulness of yet another noob-friendly ship which is currently very rarely used. Sure, it may be possible to train for a stealth bomber within a few weeks of starting, but that doesn't make it noob friendly - how exactly is this month-old character supposed to pay for all the stealth bombers she'll be using? A noob can train for an Apocalypse within a few weeks too, but that doesn't mean they should be flying one in pvp.

And for those that are complaining that "putting battleship-destroying weapons on a ship smaller than a frigate is overpowered", you're forgetting that 1. Their stats can be tweaked to ensure good balance and 2. Against a fleet with a handful of destroyers, it would take a large number of them to cause any significant damage. So, in exactly which scenario would you consider them to be OP?

Apart from wanting more DPS and a smaller sig radius, what you're describing is the same as a stealth bomber using rage torps.



Yeah, their stats can be tweaked to make them balanced. In particular by increasing their sig radius and decreasing their DPS.

See this is why we can't have nice things. Bombs are not used against small things, they are used against big things. Small things take greatly reduced damage from bombs unless they turn mwd on (thus making themselves bigger) and being faster stand a very good chance of getting out of the blast radius entirely. Battleships are the ultimate intended target of bombs as they take full damage and are too slow to get away. The torps the bombers also carry also do very high damage to large targets like bs. Basically the role you are talking about already exists in the form of stealth bombers the use of which is one of the many reasons behind the fall of the battleship.

If you just asked for a t1 version of the bomber that uses torps but doesn't use bombs or have a cloak it would probably be a great idea, being noob friendly and very suicidal. It would however make bs even more hard pressed in comparison to t2/t3 medium hulls.

It really sounds like you want an inty with buffed torpedos (perhaps citedel torps).

Why is this needed?
1.) Stealth bombers already fulfill this role pretty solidly. While they aren't excatly what you describe, their ability to get into position while cloaked allows them to perform coordinated attacks that can be devastating to fleets. Well coordinated bombing runs have been known to wipe out 100+ man BS fleets. And against a single target, each SB will do about 5k damage per 8s volley. Against a typical 100k EHP BS, 5 of them will drop it pretty fast.... although not as fast as you're suggesting.

2.) But SB's don't fit the role exactly, becuase they aren't noob friendly nor really cheap! If a 50m sb is too much for you, then get in blaster/autocannon/pulse laser destroyer. They are very close range, they do significant damage (400-600 dps), and a wolfpack of them can drop a BS (or any ship) very quickly. Realize, a SB does 550-750 dps to BS sized targets, so the dps loss in using destroyers is not significant.... Destroyers are also faster, more agile, tankier, they cannot cloak, are quick to train for, not terribly expensive (2-12m each), and pretty much do everything else you want out of this new ship...

3.) But desstroyers don't pack the punch I want! Don't you think what you are suggesting is a little too potent? It sounds like you're trying to 2-shot BS's with only a couple of these "PT boats".... which is pretty insane!!! A cheap frigate with 15-25k alpha??? Oh gee, that can't possibly cause problems.... Are you serious?? Because such a monster is broken... and you have to be really dense not to see it.

Why would they be popped before reaching their targets.... I can use my covop's alt to punt my gang on top of them... at ZERO. I land, I lock and fire.... BS's, with a 10-20s lock time on frigates, certainly won't stop me. And sure, in your mind a fleet includes fast locking dessies that can instapop these PT boats... but the reality is dessies are not common, and can easily be taken out prior to the run by any competent enemy. In short, this idea has major issues.... and a cheap frigate with that type of alpha is just ridiculous!