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So you're saying the CSM shouldn't be able to talk about changes like this to players?

Because that doesn't seem logical.

Solo drone pilot pve is possibly being nerfed. The speed for group pve will also suffer.

Have you read the CSM minutes? I'm guessing you don't remember the team Five O discussion in the minutes. I checked after this blog came out... you'll find the discussion HIGHLY ironic.

The CSM expressed interest in getting MORE people in DED 10/10 complexes in the discussion with Five O. Guess what this change by team Five O is going to hurt? Hmm, funny that, DED 10/10 complexes... that's actually what half the posts in this thread are discussing, unintentional changes to DED 10/10.

With that in mind I'm assuming a few possibilities:

A) the CSM did not hear about this change... I find that highly unlikely considering how much the prior CSM's have complained when CCP released Dev Blogs without at least passing it past them. Something about a little debacle involving Japanese designer pants? Anyone remember that one?

or B) the 'new' CSM no longer cares about things like the DED 10/10 changes. It's possible, although it does seem unlikely. Only a few months have passed since the CSM summit... but the CSM certainly hasn't chimed in against the DED 10/10 unintentional changes. Are we to assume they care, who knows?

or C) they weren't aware of the fairly obvious unintentional changes that should have been fairly evident... and haven't looked at the thread yet. This isn't the case. We have a CSM post in this very thread.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions. Any of the three are possible. Certainly I don't want to steer people in any particular direction.

Team Five O's plans during the summit were to work on the tutorial fixes, following by incursion changes... I think we ALL know how those incursion changes went over. In light of that do we really want THAT team touching anything mission related?

Followed by... the May / June summit had tutorial fixes / incursion changes slated for Team Five O... after completing all that, I wonder how much time they've spent on this fix? Anyone remember when the last incursion fix came out / or how many incursion fixes we got? Team Five O is probably big enough they could have split their focus between Incursion / Tutorial fixes (which should have been rather big ticket issues) and left two people working feverishly full-time on the NPC changes. maybe?



Dunno... but I don't see a null alliance income nerf here, I guess they simply don't care?

I'd suggest you reread the thread. Many have brought up concerns with higher end DED complexes including those limited to null. Not all income in on the alliance level even for the power blocks.


I've stated the same regarding droneboats, some of my favorite ships now and the ships i keep going back to often, but in the end even if they do take a nerf there will always be other options that with some skilling can be just as efficient. Group PvE mechanics on the other hand are more likely facing a more drastic change from appearances.

Much testing needs to be done.

The CSM should be and most likely is aware of the probable repercussions of the change. They've also had communication with those who have more data on the new behaviors and have done more testing than we have. It's quite possible we're wrong and this won't be that bad, or perhaps the CSM feels the gains of this, with it's eventual long-term goals, outweighs the (maybe) temporary discomforts.

Either way the fact that you characterize the CSM and those they more directly represent as being supportive due to not being affected is untrue. They will be affected running DED 10/10's more than I am running solo missions in highsec.

Going to repeat the advice I gave earlier. Reread the thread. And for some new advice: Go test the changes and come back with constructive criticism. Not sarcasm, not intentional misinterpretation, but constructive feedback.

If you feel CCP missed something, tell them. If you think the CSM needs to be more involved or want their feedback, engage them. Like you I can only speculate, and so I did. I never stated my possible scenarios, which aren't the only ones I can see playing out, were correct, nor did you even TL;DR it correctly.

The auto recall happens already. (Trust me on this, i used to disconnect a LOT with mobile broadband :))

Problem is the window of opportunity for your drones to arrive before the actual warp out. Light drones have a chance as long as they're not 40km away when it happens. Heavy drones? Not so much.

Lol at all the carebears calling a minor change to aggro mechanics "NGE" and saying it means training drones was a complete waste.

Get some perspective you pathetic NIMBYs.

I mentioned this in a thread in GD, but I think it's worth repeating here (we've touched on it already a bit). A really crappy side affect to this change is the protection anomaly runners could recieve from NPCs switching targets to the attackers, in affect turning those NPCs into "Null-Sec Concord".

i know if i got caught in a Forlorn Hub, i'd shoot the trigger battleships and then STOP shooting lol, lets see a Purifier tank 12 Guristas battleships and twice that number of crusiers lol.

As was said earlier, the aggro mechanisc in any MMO feel weird and artificial. Yes. I think they do. That's my opinion. I much rather have real articifical intelligence against me then faked AI.

That being said, I think that hoping for genetic AI, neural net AI, adapative AI or any such AI in a game like Eve, is not going to happen. So, I applaud changes that mimic these things. A real strategic AI would not be bothered at all by the aritifical concept of "Aggro". I would make decisions based on the constantly changing battelfield around it.

I do not like knowing exactly when a respawn is going to happen.
I do not like knowing exactly what a plex is going to contain.

I still like plexes, but I would like them more, if they are more challanging, in other terms then raw DPS thrown against me.

I like unpredictability, therefor I like this change. Disagree with me all you want, but I do like this change.

As for those practicing reductio ad absurdum around here, it is posible to to like and dislike parts of a game, while still enjoying the game as a whole, k?