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Official Protest - Mittani should be removed from CSM - *** UPDATED RESPONSE POSTED ***

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The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-10-16 21:11:33 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.

But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement.


This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public.

You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though.

~hi~
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2011-10-16 21:11:36 UTC
What are CSM supposed to do? Sit in a throne room in a station all day waving politely to the public?
Deopheel Dalonne
Eridu Productions
#43 - 2011-10-16 21:12:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Deopheel Dalonne
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Tippia wrote:
RL ≠ game.

The question regarding Goons (and many others) is this: Are they having fun playing EvE because:

1. They like piloting ships in space and fighting others and building POSes etc ... (in other words, they have "in-game" reasons for having fun) ?

or

2. They like spoiling the game for other people and making CCP look stupid and maybe bring the whole show to a stop just to show that they can ?


all of the above (except anything to do with a POS, ever).

Aren't the two contradictory ? (if you bring the game down, you can no longer have fun of the 1. variety ...)

And isn't it a little bit of a conflict of interest, if your goal is option 2. above, to be on the CSM at the same time ?
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#44 - 2011-10-16 21:14:06 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
This thread pleases me.

I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.

That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.

As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.


No they voted for you because you are the alliance leader and you prob offered them free ships or some bribe, the rest of eve did not vote for you.
You represent all that is bad about eve. I dont care if you was the president of the USA. You very essence is about pouring misery on eve players and this is bad for eve. You should not be scamming, and abusing your position. I bet you tell people you are scamming oh dont worry im the CSM Chair...Evil
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#45 - 2011-10-16 21:15:56 UTC
I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1

Hmmm
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#46 - 2011-10-16 21:16:59 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.

But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement.


This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public.

You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though.


But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#47 - 2011-10-16 21:17:04 UTC
Darius III wrote:
I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1


lol.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#48 - 2011-10-16 21:17:40 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:


But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.


the ice miners were attacking the ice for their own gain.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2011-10-16 21:18:45 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:

But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.


I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason.

So far, so good!

~hi~
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#50 - 2011-10-16 21:20:06 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
This thread pleases me.

I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.

That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.

As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.


Ah, so you'll have plenty of cheese to enjoy with all these fine whines.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2011-10-16 21:20:10 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
This thread pleases me.

I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman.

That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.

As for my RL, I was once an attorney in DC, but I retired and moved to Wisconsin last year.


No they voted for you because you are the alliance leader and you prob offered them free ships or some bribe, the rest of eve did not vote for you.
You represent all that is bad about eve. I dont care if you was the president of the USA. You very essence is about pouring misery on eve players and this is bad for eve. You should not be scamming, and abusing your position. I bet you tell people you are scamming oh dont worry im the CSM Chair...Evil


honestly, if Mittani WAS the rpesident of the US of A, we prolly wouldnt be all that worse off, hell, we might even be ebtter off, since most of the last 10 or so presidents didnt quite do so well.

and really, i RARELy see goons anywhere except a few roams in providence and the occasional fleet on their way to engage an Atlas./Ev0ke defense fleet, so tell me, how is THAT pouring misery on everyone? and out-of-game i have seen him advocatinga lot fo things that a majority of the more "opinionated" Eve population wants to see change, nerfing alot of blob-incentives is one of those things.

honestly, if you can't provide at elast 3 instances where the Mittani has gone OUT OF HIS WAY to make EVERYONE's lives miserable, dont post.

TL;DR evidence or GTFO
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#52 - 2011-10-16 21:20:32 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.

But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement.


This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public.

You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though.


But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.


Why shouldn't he attack ice miners?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2011-10-16 21:21:01 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.

But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement.


This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public.

You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though.


But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.



What they do? Run over your mothers sisters aunties dog with priceless jewels?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#54 - 2011-10-16 21:21:18 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
No they voted for you because you are the alliance leader and you prob offered them free ships or some bribe, the rest of eve did not vote for you.
Who are “they”? Goons?

…and you're quite wrong about the rest of EVE as well.
Quote:
You represent all that is bad about eve.
No. Like the man said, he represents war and murder, not safety and weakness. So you got that one quite the wrong way around.
Quote:
You very essence is about pouring misery on eve players and this is bad for eve.
EVE being a game about misery, pouring it on its players is rather good for the game, you know…
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#55 - 2011-10-16 21:21:29 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:

But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.


I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason.

So far, so good!


Mittani, thats all well and good, but you should not be abusing your position to scam people and all the other stuff you stand for. Simple.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2011-10-16 21:21:47 UTC
Darius III wrote:
I concur with OP. What Mittani has done, as chairman no less, clearly shows he doesnt take his position seriously and should be voted out. +1


breaching NDA is A-OK though

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#57 - 2011-10-16 21:22:22 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
The problem i have with Mittani as the head of the CSM is that he is a high-profile alliance leader, and i doubt that he would agree with changes for the sake of balance, if said changes were to somehow interfere with his own alliance, or disagree with changes that would affect his enemies more than it would his own ally. He cannot have an impartial opinion on most subjects he deals with as a CSM member.

But unfortunatly that is in the nature of the CSM election. Besides being chairman doesnt mean he gets the final word, only that he gets to pass it on. This CSM has some very good members, like seleene and white tree, and i trust their judgement.


This is foolish and uninformed. Goonswarm has one of the largest supercap fleets in the game, as well as some of the largest technetium holdings. I've vehemently advocated for nerfing both, loudly and in public.

You're welcome to spew your tinfoil theories though.


But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.


Why shouldn't he attack ice miners?


Oh god i wondered when you was going to show up, to the usual trolls have posted you, drake, and well others...

+1 for not letting me down..
Deopheel Dalonne
Eridu Productions
#58 - 2011-10-16 21:23:32 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:

But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.

I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason.

So far, so good!

Yeah, the old dream of "killing God" ....

Old boy Nietzsche knew that it was the ultimate thrill. And then some guys in brown (then black) shirts in Germany followed his advice. Lots of good it did them ...

Oh but "GoonWaffe" is an explicit reference to this little jamboree! I beg your pardon. I am preaching to the choir ...
Caulk H0lster
Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution
#59 - 2011-10-16 21:24:10 UTC
MAYBE MORE PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE IN THE CSM ELECTIONS AND NOT VOTE FOR GOONS, WHO ARE KNOWN SCAMMERS AND GRIEFERS.

If you wanna blame someone, blame the people who elected him, not The Mittani, he's just doing what he's always done.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2011-10-16 21:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
Just Another Toon wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:

But you are happy to manipulate the game , such as attacking ice miners for your own gains.. Your words will not make any difference to peoples opinion of you.


I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason.

So far, so good!


Mittani, thats all well and good, but you should not be abusing your position to scam people and all the other stuff you stand for. Simple.




AND AGAIN, we say, why would you trust ANYONE just because they are in a position of political "power"?

just cause Obama is the president doesn't mean ill lend him my credit card, social security number, and car keys.

he scammed people before he was CSM, scammed people as CSM, and gosh-darnit he will scam people after hes been CSM, anyone foolish enough to expect specific virtues or behaviours from someone simply on the basis of a title deserves to lose what they got.