Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If the missile boats gain an additional low slot I think this nerf makes a lot of sense. You can choose between roughly the same DPS or same range and ability to hit faster/smaller targets. HAMs were useless because there were no effective ways to increase their range. If you didn't need to load up on reactor controls to fit them and instead add a TE for added range and more explosion velocity/radius they would be really powerful. The only way to get the added range now is to change rigs or ships which generally compromises your tank significantly.

This also brings up torpedoes and how effective they might be. A bomber with a TE and TCs would probably put out a ton of damage on most targets. It might actually make a raven usable as well. Now if only the rats couldn't outrun my citadel torpedoes.

I wonder how many that would apply to in this thread???

Well I think the nerf to HML damage is to high, because it then leaves the other med weapons in line with it one the're for the most part bad. HML down 10% and rails, arty, and beams up 10% would be better. And well your at it have a look at hams I like them but it already takes a scram and two webs to make them work (this being the other thing that makes as is HML the favored) I would like to use them more but most ships don't have enuff slots to make them work(well and have any tank at all)

As for TD's it will have to be 2 mods or it will be busted, like if ECM was just a script for type weapon busted. Come on it's only fair, ECM is typed, warp disruption is typed, cap war is typed, the only ones that are not are TP's and webb's the the two that stack on each other to nerf defense.

This is just your opinion. Caracals are statistically one of the most flown t1 cruisers, behind only Rupture and BB.

When you get to the point of "there are no good t1, non-frig, non-capital, missle ships, that are caldari, other than a drake" you are talking so incredibly specialised set of limits that your comments loses all force.

There are also no t1 amarr tracking disruptor non-frig platforms other than an Arbitrator. So what?

You're missing my point by comparing ACs with missiles which will be nerfed soon, and forgetting about hybrids and lasers, which both consume cap and are restricted to two damage types. If Autocannons (who are already prevalent in most PvP engagaments) will still have the upper hand compared to those two, then the missile nerf will turn Drakes Online into Autocannons Online .

This nerf thing is childish and pathetic, the game is balanced. you just need to know how to play and what to fly against what. Nothing in EVE needs nerfed anymore. And all you whiner and complains need to learn how to do better intel in PvP and learn how to fight what ship with what ship and you wouldn't complian and think everything needs nerfed. nothing in EVE needs a nerf, NO ship is just unbeatable in EVE. Drakes get taken out easy by all types of BCs. grow up and just enjoy a game unlike all the others and stop trying to make it like other MMOs, it's getting sad at this point. Leave it be and bring in new ship types like CCP use to. Enjoy turning EVE into every other game out there

The hilarious nature of every post about why the damage nuke was needed is astounding.

Lets recap years of eve history for the devs/players:

Range projection counts as a damage modifier - it's true, just look at the Rokh / Apoc / ferox and every other non "damage" bonused ship in game. I gaurentee you can find hundreds if not thousands of thread explain just how range projection is the exact same thing as damage buffing.

Cut to more recent years:

Everyone agrees HMLs have way to much range, but nobody is concerned with their raw damage. Everyone ask that the DRAKE gets a tank reduction and shorter range with HMLs, and that the Tengu Bonuses get brought in line with any other t3 instead of obsurd 7.5% ROF bonus.... and then, hammer on T3's as a whole.



So the Devs give us range reduction... GREAT there goes the damage projection which balances out the disparities between turrets and HMLs. Turrets can now use closer range ammos to match HMLs and still get instant damage. HMLs will have slightly higher base damage tied to one and only one damage type, and lower damage on any other damage type of choice.

I think most players said 50-55 max range was fair, i'd go so far as to say 47.5km max range was better.



But then something silly happens, Fozzie says, oh no, range reduction isn't the old damage projection reduction we always said it was, so we need to nerf harder... A LOT harder. Ignore the fact that only 2 ships are out of whack. Ignore the fact that the drake steals any reason to use the ferox for resist tanking in game. Ignore the fact that the drake tank is the number one listed problem with the ship itself. Ignore the fact that the Drake is the only missile boat in that particular line that doesn't match the missile velocity bonus and replaces it with Resistance. Ignore the fact that resistance bonus is considered one of the most highly prized in game.


All you had to do was change the drake bonuses, nuke the missile range, and fix t3s as a whole, and so much work and grief can/could have been saved.

You guys continue to soil this game with stale balance proceedures that completely remove the identity it was built upon. Drones on every ship, screw gallente. Missiles on every race.... screw Caldari. EWAR so brokenly OP b/c the Caldari Jammers alone weren't supidly OP enough for 1 race... screw everybody.

you must be joking. read 150+ pages looking for tiny nuggest of info? no thanks.

missiles can be destroyed. projectile ammo can't. deal with that first, then we can have this conversation