Player Features and Ideas Discussion

All in all, it sounds like a fun little ship. It will be a toy for advanced players, but I will keep a few fitted and handy for new recruits. That cargo bay will be wonderful for someone with low skills. You should not need any skill to 5 just to start mining, so an entry ship like this is needed. The low cost (once the buying frenzy is over) should be nice for new players. A few mil for a procurer sounds cheap to established players; not so for new players on day one.

I think the much anticipated T2 version, which may not even be on the drawing board yet, will make a bigger splash. A dedicated gas cloud harvester is what people want. It will take a T2 frigate to handle that. At that point, it will have license to outperform other ships.

For alts, this ship will be easy to fly and hard to catch, but there won't be much to catch if you do. Well, I’m sure someone will pimp it out and get blown up, but I doubt I will get any of the loot. :P

The Ore hold, on the other hand

Because the only way to prevent newbies from being tackled by rats is to give their ship a buff that also nullifies the effect of player-operated modules?

They could, IDK, make rat scrams a separate effect, or remove tackling rats from belts instead of making this ship un-tacklable by sensibly-fit player ships?

Wow. You seem really bent out of shape over this. An evil noob in a mining frig obviously touched you in a bad place when you were a child. Tragic. Seriously though, what is the issue here? That it's harder for you to get ****** frig kills? That they will sneak into Goon territory and mine all your valuable roids? These things are made of paper. If you get a lock on them they are dead. No point needed. That's of course given you are flying a "sensibly-fit player ship".

What if it had the ability to fit a covert cloak like a covops? Then increase the align time significantly? You would need the skill to 5 to reduce the CPU usage so you could fit other mods, a gatecamp could still decloak him if they were good and the align significantly low, and he would have the option of using a covert bridge to move his cargo.

At the very least a T2 variant with a covert cloak and T2 resists to tank gas clouds would be a pretty useful ship. A cruiser or one of the barges would be better, but a T2 throw away frig would be pretty sweet for most gas harvesters.

The ability to fit command links may be cool. The bonuses would still be minimal and where you are mining you aren't likely to have an orca or rorqual around. One advantage to gas harvesting with a battlecruiser is that you can throw a link on there to get a substantial bonus. I know this is a semi-noob ship, but T1 links would still be something for them to experiment with.

I'd figure the sole purpose of the +2 warp strength is to be able to enter lowsec and make travelling gate to gate a bit safer.

Basically to make sure the "newbie" doesn't make his first entry (probably for a tutorial mission) into lowsec, gets cracked tackled 'n popped right on the first gate and decides lowsec isn't worth it.

Isn't that the same reason it's on the Deep Space Transports? They've got HP to take the blows while they align, and the +2 to make them viable ships to run around lowsec. And in some remote past what the Skiff was partly meant for?

Obviously it has no use in null as you've got bubbleboys there. But for lowsec I see its uses for industrialists. Lowsec duders just adapt fitting more scrams and SeBo's.

But you are setting a precedent here. In terms of gas mining it has no bonuses other that the ore hold so what can we expect from a dedicated T2 gas harvester? The equivalent of 6 harvesters maybe 7? Not good enough!

I want to see 10 man fleets of these things invading wormholes and stealing gas from under the residents noses and that will not happen with this ORE frig.

How will this survive lowsec rats? Drone bay isn't enough to even field near enough dps to deal with rats. At least a 25m3 drone bay would have a chance with 5 t2 hobs II.

Noobs mining in lowsec?

*draws up plans for dual scram/sebo/autocannon SB

I was looking forward when ccp will release a gas harvesting ship and finally after a long time we get this. I dont want this crappy ninja frigate, i want to harvest gas like a boss. This is not a dedicated gas harvesting shis, this is a hybrid for amateurs.

Dont get me wrong, ship design looks nice and as long as it was mining ship for amateurs, it was ok, but when ccp decided to make it a "dedicated" gas harvesting ship also, they disappointed us.