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WSpace Solo Question

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Auria McGlennen
NO Tax FAT Stacks
#1 - 2011-10-10 16:46:45 UTC
I've been doing a lot of reading about WSpace now that our corp is active in it, however I cannot find anything regarding soloing Sleepers in stealth bombers. Do sleepers follow the same tracking principles as other battleships (ie BS rats in belts)? I can solo BS rats on belts and in missions just fine if they're alone (no frigates), but will sleepers be a different story?

The site I'm looking at is a C4 anomaly w/ two Sleeper BS.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-10-10 16:49:08 UTC
No it is no possible (least not for c4's and probably not for anything over c1's). Sleepers are fast, the small ones will kill you and the tracking of sleepers is much much better than null rats

I has all the eve inactivity
Auria McGlennen
NO Tax FAT Stacks
#3 - 2011-10-10 16:51:25 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
No it is no possible (least not for c4's and probably not for anything over c1's). Sleepers are fast, the small ones will kill you and the tracking of sleepers is much much better than null rats


Gotcha, thanks. :) I definitely wanted to make sure before I lose a ship in Wspace, hah.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2011-10-10 17:13:15 UTC
Hello Auria McGlennen,

as it was already pointed out, it is not feasible to solo C4's in a Stealth Bomber. However, you can at least solo run the lower class wormholes, for example by using the infamous Drake. Other ships work of course as well. If you have set your mind on doing a successful solo run and if that is your goal for now in EVE, then you can have a lot of fun. Not only are the Sleepers an opponent not to be taken lightly but also the challenges of nullsec space and additionally no local channel can make it a worthwhile experience!

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#5 - 2011-10-10 20:31:58 UTC
Only thing I've seen anyone reliably solo a C4 in, is a Tengu.

I wouldn't recommend even using a bomber in a C1, those frigates would murderize you and your lack of a tank.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-10 20:33:31 UTC
Just to add.. since the neuting has been fixed, it is alomst impossible to solo C4 anoms. Used to be able to in a decent fit Tengu. Guess you could possibly run a C4 anom in a carrier :)
dephekt
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2011-10-11 00:44:41 UTC
grumpyguts1 wrote:
Just to add.. since the neuting has been fixed, it is alomst impossible to solo C4 anoms. Used to be able to in a decent fit Tengu. Guess you could possibly run a C4 anom in a carrier :)


Quoted for truth. I'd love to see more carriers running combat sites alone in w-space. If it's not too much to ask, ignore any Sister's Core probes you see on d-scan too.

TwistedPirate
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#8 - 2011-10-11 14:30:38 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Hello Auria McGlennen,

as it was already pointed out, it is not feasible to solo C4's in a Stealth Bomber. However, you can at least solo run the lower class wormholes, for example by using the infamous Drake. Other ships work of course as well. If you have set your mind on doing a successful solo run and if that is your goal for now in EVE, then you can have a lot of fun. Not only are the Sleepers an opponent not to be taken lightly but also the challenges of nullsec space and additionally no local channel can make it a worthwhile experience!



Wait a second here. A Dev just admitted the Drake is op! NERFBAT NAO
In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU.   "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
Mart Allini
Lead Farmers
#9 - 2011-10-11 14:38:51 UTC
dephekt wrote:
grumpyguts1 wrote:
Just to add.. since the neuting has been fixed, it is alomst impossible to solo C4 anoms. Used to be able to in a decent fit Tengu. Guess you could possibly run a C4 anom in a carrier :)


Quoted for truth. I'd love to see more carriers running combat sites alone in w-space. If it's not too much to ask, ignore any Sister's Core probes you see on d-scan too.

TwistedPirate


What are you doing using core probes trying to catch people?
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#10 - 2011-10-11 15:13:04 UTC
Mart Allini wrote:
dephekt wrote:
grumpyguts1 wrote:
Just to add.. since the neuting has been fixed, it is alomst impossible to solo C4 anoms. Used to be able to in a decent fit Tengu. Guess you could possibly run a C4 anom in a carrier :)


Quoted for truth. I'd love to see more carriers running combat sites alone in w-space. If it's not too much to ask, ignore any Sister's Core probes you see on d-scan too.

TwistedPirate


What are you doing using core probes trying to catch people?



Simple :)

Find anom. Warp to anom cloaked. If carrier=true, Warp fleet to cov ops frig and own carrier :D
In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU.   "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-11 15:38:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jovan Geldon
Auria McGlennen wrote:
soloing Sleepers in stealth bombers


Ahahahaha-

Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.

AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Edit for usefulness:- No, it's not happening, use a Drake for >=C3 and rem-rep Tengu gang for >=C4
dephekt
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-10-11 18:35:39 UTC
Mart Allini wrote:
dephekt wrote:
grumpyguts1 wrote:
Just to add.. since the neuting has been fixed, it is alomst impossible to solo C4 anoms. Used to be able to in a decent fit Tengu. Guess you could possibly run a C4 anom in a carrier :)


Quoted for truth. I'd love to see more carriers running combat sites alone in w-space. If it's not too much to ask, ignore any Sister's Core probes you see on d-scan too.

TwistedPirate


What are you doing using core probes trying to catch people?


lol I was waiting for someone to say that. Go run a mag site in your carrier and I'll show you what I'm doing with those core probes P
grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-11 21:19:16 UTC
dephekt wrote:
Mart Allini wrote:
dephekt wrote:
grumpyguts1 wrote:
Just to add.. since the neuting has been fixed, it is alomst impossible to solo C4 anoms. Used to be able to in a decent fit Tengu. Guess you could possibly run a C4 anom in a carrier :)


Quoted for truth. I'd love to see more carriers running combat sites alone in w-space. If it's not too much to ask, ignore any Sister's Core probes you see on d-scan too.

TwistedPirate


What are you doing using core probes trying to catch people?


lol I was waiting for someone to say that. Go run a mag site in your carrier and I'll show you what I'm doing with those core probes P


dang.. a small piece of me was hoping you were being serious Lol trying to gank people in an anom with probes.
Tonemaster B
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-10-13 20:00:15 UTC
Tauren Tom wrote:
Mart Allini wrote:
dephekt wrote:
grumpyguts1 wrote:
Just to add.. since the neuting has been fixed, it is alomst impossible to solo C4 anoms. Used to be able to in a decent fit Tengu. Guess you could possibly run a C4 anom in a carrier :)


Quoted for truth. I'd love to see more carriers running combat sites alone in w-space. If it's not too much to ask, ignore any Sister's Core probes you see on d-scan too.

TwistedPirate


What are you doing using core probes trying to catch people?



Simple :)

Find anom. Warp to anom cloaked. If carrier=true, Warp fleet to cov ops frig and own carrier :D


What are you doing using core probes to find anoms?

Don't need probes to find anoms just use your on board scanner silly.



ChiefAlex
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-10-14 10:51:18 UTC
Tonemaster B wrote:

What are you doing using core probes to find anoms?

Don't need probes to find anoms just use your on board scanner silly.




Anomalies yes. Signatures (Magno+Radars) not.
btw C4 sigs contain alot of warp disrupting sleepers. Even if you see the probes in your carrier, you are in big trouble.
Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#16 - 2011-10-16 08:32:45 UTC
Meh.. two ways to do it IMO. Either use T1 core probes (not the sisters) in order to get in to the site early and hope that the mission runner did not see them, or just assumes it was a noob scout on his tutorial mission. Or, use sisters combats and land at zero on your target hoping that your target does not have time to warp out before you get there.

In either case, if your probes are on their scan for more than 10-15 seconds.. you are doing it wrong.

Which method you use depends a lot on your fleet comp (if your using bombers or other ships that you do not want to have sleepers shooting at, then you are getting into the site at range and waiting till he finishes.) Personally, I have more success using cores on site runners, and combats on miners.

Of course, people running combat sites are just stupid easy to catch.
Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
#17 - 2011-10-16 17:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Taram Caldar
Mart Allini wrote:
dephekt wrote:
grumpyguts1 wrote:
Just to add.. since the neuting has been fixed, it is alomst impossible to solo C4 anoms. Used to be able to in a decent fit Tengu. Guess you could possibly run a C4 anom in a carrier :)


Quoted for truth. I'd love to see more carriers running combat sites alone in w-space. If it's not too much to ask, ignore any Sister's Core probes you see on d-scan too.

TwistedPirate


What are you doing using core probes trying to catch people?


Because people tend to ignore core probes whereas combat probes spook them (Don't ask me why, there's lots of stupid people out there)... combat probes work well too but I've found that people very often ignore core probes. Why? No idea... but they do.

Scan sites down, check sites cloaked, tackle pilot who didn't safe up when probes not belonging to him are on scan, call in DPS, kill pilot's shiny toy, loot & salvage.... profit.

Been a while since I went WH hunting... I should probably start doing that again ;)

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.  He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-10-16 19:29:57 UTC
Taram Caldar wrote:
Mart Allini wrote:
dephekt wrote:
grumpyguts1 wrote:
Just to add.. since the neuting has been fixed, it is alomst impossible to solo C4 anoms. Used to be able to in a decent fit Tengu. Guess you could possibly run a C4 anom in a carrier :)


Quoted for truth. I'd love to see more carriers running combat sites alone in w-space. If it's not too much to ask, ignore any Sister's Core probes you see on d-scan too.

TwistedPirate


What are you doing using core probes trying to catch people?


Because people tend to ignore core probes whereas combat probes spook them (Don't ask me why, there's lots of stupid people out there)... combat probes work well too but I've found that people very often ignore core probes. Why? No idea... but they do.

Scan sites down, check sites cloaked, tackle pilot who didn't safe up when probes not belonging to him are on scan, call in DPS, kill pilot's shiny toy, loot & salvage.... profit.

Been a while since I went WH hunting... I should probably start doing that again ;)


A lot of WH dwellers ignore core probes as they believe the user is just passing through, I used to.. not anymore though. And as mentioned in a C4 sites you scrammed a lot of the time.. so you pretty screwed if a crew jumps you. You could hope for the sleepers to switch to the attackers, but sadly this doesn't happen fast enough. So basically if a PVP crew want you and they are in a better fleet, which they will be otherwise the not going to egress, you're dead Sad That said, always have an alt in the hole that can get you back in when you podded...
Tyme Xandr
Weyl Manufacturing
#19 - 2011-10-17 23:55:00 UTC
Tauren Tom wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:
Hello Auria McGlennen,

as it was already pointed out, it is not feasible to solo C4's in a Stealth Bomber. However, you can at least solo run the lower class wormholes, for example by using the infamous Drake. Other ships work of course as well. If you have set your mind on doing a successful solo run and if that is your goal for now in EVE, then you can have a lot of fun. Not only are the Sleepers an opponent not to be taken lightly but also the challenges of nullsec space and additionally no local channel can make it a worthwhile experience!



Wait a second here. A Dev just admitted the Drake is op! NERFBAT NAO


I figure ur trolling, but the Drake is prefered for PVE (especially in WH) due to range with HLs, no cap needed for them, and a decent shield buffer.

Also, ive soloed C1 and C2 back in the day with AF's. OP should try them out in that.
Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-10-18 05:53:55 UTC
Tengus will solo C4 anomalies and sites. I would however avoid the radar/mag sites with the quad safeguard spawn if you are in there alone.

I have done this myself in my active tanked Tengu after the neut fix, even if I rather do it with friends since solo grinding is really boring. Neuts do hurt if you let them, but a smart player will find ways to outsmart the sleepers.
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