Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The cynojammer Module should have a limited Range but this was written a couple of sites before. Its like a Warpdisruptor with 20 km Range. So yes you can fit it on every ship but if the cyno is at lets say 50 ..... Counterdrop.

Hotdropping is the epitome of riskless PvP! Adding more risk to hotdroppers is a good thing, and you have to be a complete coward not agree. At the same time, its an interesting and neat mechanic, and I really don't think it should be completely nerfed away! This is a reasonable middle-ground compromise, and no-one has come up with a good argument against it.

Here is the two primary reasons people are against hotdropping:

1.) It is an unscoutable force that can be dropped instantly. Worse, the hotdroppers can actually tailor their ships to purposely take out enemy forces, making them essentially a perfect counter to whomever they drop.

The rebuttal is: "but they're not unscoutable"...


Frankly, this rebuttal is just invalid. Yes, if you are aware of specific opponents that are known to hotdrop, you can take precautions to let you know if they have a hotdrop ready to go. However, titans are ubiquitous these days, with well over 500 in game. Their bridge range is 6.5-8.5 ly's, which means they can reach a target constellation from any of 100+ systems in the neighboring regions, and they often employ OOC bait. So, unless you are dealing with a very specific rival that honestly doesn't even attempt to avoid your scouts, your ability to scout hotdroppers is pragmatically non-existent!

2.) Hot dropping is the epitome of riskless PvP. It has no counter.

The Rebuttal is: "but you can counter hotdrop"...


To counter hotdrop you need access to a titan (and mayhap a BO), which sets the bar for countering a hotdrop too high IMO. For your hotdrop to be successful, you need to have an idea of what they are bringing, which means they need to be scoutable (see point 1).


So, it's pretty clear there are problems with hotdrop mechanics, and non of the rebuttles in this thread have even come close to addressing them. Instead, all that's left is the old, "it doesn't need to have a counter, its fine as is" argument. You can berry your head in the sand like an ostrich, but it won't change the fact hotdrops are unhealthy in their current form. I've Hotdropped, I've counter-hotdropped, and I've been hotdropped. In my experience, hotdropping is the equivalent of mining roids for killmails, and I really don't understand why people are so adamantly opposed to ideas that could make it more interesting and challenging.



What happens when you hotdrop a gate camp now?? They call cyno up, and they typically gtfo as much as possible because they know whatever is coming through will typically be more than they can handle. You even admitted your bait is rarely at risk because of the gang behind it. So this is essentially easy, nearly riskless killmail farming... and you need this why??

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With this module, the gate campers may attempt to "jam" the cyno, and stick around to kill your bait (which now has more risk), or you can bring in more ships, which might scare the gate campers off. If you bring too small a bait force, your cyno might fail, if you bring too many, you won't get the fight... So, rather than have easy-mode, riskless pvp, you suddenly have to HTFU and make a touch choice, which can cost you ships if make the wrong one!

- it is scoutable, with some effort but it is. Even if its even much more harder, its good, there is too much scouting in this game already anyways.
- nothing drops instantly, it takes at least 10 seconds till bridged ships can do something on grid


you can repeat that as many times as you like, its wont get true by this.
Enough has been said about this, I'm not gonna reiterate on this.

Did I say it would? No. What my point was that makalu hotdropped test in their new staging system, and they were in turn counterdropped while they were held down by tons of dictors.

If this "cynojam module" were to happen, all the hotdroppers would do is adapt by sending in tacklers (such as dictors), light the cyno >150km off, and warp down to the tackled fleet. The end result would be the same, "abloo bloo bloo filthy hotdroppers :(".


The predictability of a hotdrop can easily be made unpredictable by an unexpected counter-hotdrop.

We have a system-wide cynojammer module, it's linked to SOV for a reason: it's a damn powerful strategic tool. Putting this strategic power on a single ship would be ********.

Then I guess "suck vacuum" is appropriate.

The end result would be exactly the same, you'd still be wah wah waahing about how unfair the advantage the hotdroppers had was. vOv

Fully support this idea. Anything to reduce the ability of people to project power so easily. Make Eve feel larger again. Give smaller fleets a chance against the large alliances while they scramble their fleets and take time to journey to the battle.

In fact, they should just get rid of the whole cyno/jumping thing in its entirety.

nothing of the likes is needed, neither a new ship nor any kind of mobile cyno jammer.

[EDIT - Bad manner removed. - CCP Gargant]
I provided a lot of arguments, you simply keep telling we need cynojammer although we dont.
There is no consens that cynos are not all right as they are now.