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The reality of the goon freighter ganking in Uedema and neighboring systems.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#481 - 2012-09-25 06:35:09 UTC
ahahaha moved to C&P now...die thread, die a troll dead

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Beachura
Doomheim
#482 - 2012-09-25 07:28:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Beachura
Erm.. I have never been killed in my charon, I don't understand why individual pilots cannot follow some simple rules that kept me alive carrying expensive cargo:


  • Never autopilot (yes it's boring, but I'd rather be bored than dead) warping gate to gate at your computer very much decreases your chances of being ganked. (personally I used to autopilot with an empty cargo, due to the fact it's not extremely profitable to destroy an empty freighter but some individuals don't even do that)

  • If you suspect you have been scanned, dock or change route to avoid any 0.5 and 0.6 systems

  • There are intelligence channels for certain areas of high security, especially in uedama and niarja, join them


I'm sure many others in this thread will have additions to this list including scouts, but I find just those three rules keeps most pilots alive for months at a time. I have never lost a freighter.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#483 - 2012-09-25 08:05:27 UTC
Beachura wrote:
Erm.. I have never been killed in my charon, I don't understand why individual pilots cannot follow some simple rules that kept me alive carrying expensive cargo:


  • Never autopilot (yes it's boring, but I'd rather be bored than dead) warping gate to gate at your computer very much decreases your chances of being ganked. (personally I used to autopilot with an empty cargo, due to the fact it's not extremely profitable to destroy an empty freighter but some individuals don't even do that)

  • If you suspect you have been scanned, dock or change route to avoid any 0.5 and 0.6 systems

  • There are intelligence channels for certain areas of high security, especially in uedama and niarja, join them


I'm sure many others in this thread will have additions to this list including scouts, but I find just those three rules keeps most pilots alive for months at a time. I have never lost a freighter.


Agreed. The map tool is great to plan routes free of risks...I honestly think that with a bit of planing one could even find a calm route through 0.0 and autopilot an Orca for several jumps.

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Archon Zeratul
J A V A
#484 - 2012-09-25 09:25:56 UTC
have to remember the majority of goons are silly nerdy 13 year old

its quite easy to out wit them

get an alt in an ibis with a civilian gattling gun and spawn concord on the gates before you jump your freighters through

as this is considered an exploit i would never never do this

you watch the goonies whine and cry now
Chicken Pizza
One-man Armada
#485 - 2012-09-25 10:53:53 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
None of those goon pirates on eve-kill use alpha strikes. How do I know for sure? I'm on some of them, and I produced many of the ships. In High Sec. Using freighters to move the materials. That weren't ganked. Cause I'm not dumb.


Not that I care in the slightest about the OP, but I'd just like to point out that you are also blue to nearly every freighter ganking alliance in EvE, genius.
Pipa Porto
#486 - 2012-09-25 10:57:44 UTC
Chicken Pizza wrote:
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
None of those goon pirates on eve-kill use alpha strikes. How do I know for sure? I'm on some of them, and I produced many of the ships. In High Sec. Using freighters to move the materials. That weren't ganked. Cause I'm not dumb.


Not that I care in the slightest about the OP, but I'd just like to point out that you are also blue to nearly every freighter ganking alliance in EvE, genius.


Setting aside the fact that that's impossible given the current state of Nullsec politics (most alliances have groups who make their ISK ganking).

The likelihood that he used an in corp Freighter alt is somewhat low.

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Zedrik Cayne
Standards and Practices
#487 - 2012-09-25 12:08:26 UTC
Archon Zeratul wrote:
have to remember the majority of goons are silly nerdy 13 year old

its quite easy to out wit them

get an alt in an ibis with a civilian gattling gun and spawn concord on the gates before you jump your freighters through

as this is considered an exploit i would never never do this

you watch the goonies whine and cry now



When I was at war with said goons, they were actually doing this. And I'd managed to afk pilot cloaked to where they were staging in a safe near a gate hoping to catch an un-aligned pilot as they all warped to gate. Then a funny thing happened, a goon in a velator concorded himself on one of the non-aligned pilots and the rest of them warped to the gate. This happened several times as I was trying to catch a late pilot.

I can't remember whether or not CONCORD manipulation is actually an exploit or not. But it is the only borderline mechanic they are using.

There is only one way to escape a gank you are in the middle of.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Skill_Hardwiring

Look for 'hull hitpoint', 'armor hitpoint', 'shield capacity' and train up the related skills. (Like Mechanic to 5)

Spending a few hundred mil on implants and a few weeks of training can make you a significantly harder target. A determined enough foe can kill you. But they may not have enough capacity to take care of you at that moment.

gl hf diaf

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flakeys
Doomheim
#488 - 2012-09-25 12:45:08 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Beachura wrote:
Erm.. I have never been killed in my charon, I don't understand why individual pilots cannot follow some simple rules that kept me alive carrying expensive cargo:


  • Never autopilot (yes it's boring, but I'd rather be bored than dead) warping gate to gate at your computer very much decreases your chances of being ganked. (personally I used to autopilot with an empty cargo, due to the fact it's not extremely profitable to destroy an empty freighter but some individuals don't even do that)

  • If you suspect you have been scanned, dock or change route to avoid any 0.5 and 0.6 systems

  • There are intelligence channels for certain areas of high security, especially in uedama and niarja, join them


I'm sure many others in this thread will have additions to this list including scouts, but I find just those three rules keeps most pilots alive for months at a time. I have never lost a freighter.


Agreed. The map tool is great to plan routes free of risks...I honestly think that with a bit of planing one could even find a calm route through 0.0 and autopilot an Orca for several jumps.


'll just add that from jita to the south it's about 15ish jumps to hit your destination , now set that autopilot on avoid uedama and it will be 45 jumps Roll.So avoiding it is doable but takes a crapload of time.

There is a much easier way to do this even through uedama .... Blink

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#489 - 2012-09-25 16:00:29 UTC
Beachura wrote:
Erm.. I have never been killed in my charon, I don't understand why individual pilots cannot follow some simple rules that kept me alive carrying expensive cargo:


  • Never autopilot (yes it's boring, but I'd rather be bored than dead) warping gate to gate at your computer very much decreases your chances of being ganked. (personally I used to autopilot with an empty cargo, due to the fact it's not extremely profitable to destroy an empty freighter but some individuals don't even do that)

  • If you suspect you have been scanned, dock or change route to avoid any 0.5 and 0.6 systems

  • There are intelligence channels for certain areas of high security, especially in uedama and niarja, join them


I'm sure many others in this thread will have additions to this list including scouts, but I find just those three rules keeps most pilots alive for months at a time. I have never lost a freighter.


What channels should we use for intel ? I want to avoid anything happening to my bestower. I fly it round that area and I want to to be careful.

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Edward Harris
Inner Geek
#490 - 2012-09-25 18:41:01 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:

If you have questions regarding game mechanics, please file a petition to our Game Masters for a clarification. Please also note that game rules can change over time if necessary.


While I agree that it would be nice to receive knowledgable answers by your staff, I'm afraid that simply does not always happen.
I recently filed a petition and asked for clarification whether or not the reported matter was still considered an exploit, yet I only received a "TFR NAT" standardized macro reply.
Very quick response time on it, but very poor quality.
Lord Azori
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#491 - 2012-09-25 20:20:52 UTC
Idris Helion wrote:
angel 70 wrote:
what many people forget that there are items which, in the quantities and volumes, are difficult to transport smaller freighters.
there will probably be any ship that the corp buys in jita, might have to pick up yourself.
that's how it looks with the transportation of battleships to jita.


1. Make multiple trips. Unless you can afford to sneeze off the 1.5B ISK cost of a freighter (plus whatever cargo you lost), the extra time between destinations is well worth it.
2. Make the trip in several legs. Travel a few jumps, dock up, reconnoiter, make a few more jumps, dock up, etc. Alternatively, use a scout.
3. If you're carrying minerals or ore in your freighter, don't wrap it. Wrapping it only makes gankers think you're carrying much more valuable cargo.
4. If you must carry valuable cargo that takes up a lot of space, use an Orca to transport them. Yes, you'll still have to make multiple trips, but an Orca is a lot more likely to survive the trip than a freighter.
5. If you *must* use a freighter for high-value goods on long-haul journeys, always take an escort. An EWAR/logi vessel is probably more use than a combat escort to fight gankers, because all the escort has to do is keep you alive until CONCORD arrives.



I see a future filled with Logi frigates/cruisers for escort. This seems to me to be the sensible thing to do.
Kano Takada
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#492 - 2012-09-25 22:21:14 UTC
Hey guys,

You know, that ummm, there are ships for transporting expensive stuff safer?

Called a cloaky transport.


Oh wait thats more effort to move that 5B of loot which your about to lose in the freighter.
Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#493 - 2012-09-25 23:43:44 UTC
The solution to this is pretty simple. We need cloaky freighters. But dont make them suck and be like jfs which only have 1/3 the cargo of a normal freighter. Let them have at least 2/3 or so.
Pipa Porto
#494 - 2012-09-26 00:29:44 UTC
Karah Serrigan wrote:
The solution to this is pretty simple. We need cloaky freighters. But dont make them suck and be like jfs which only have 1/3 the cargo of a normal freighter. Let them have at least 2/3 or so.
Wat.

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-RubyPorto
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#495 - 2012-09-26 07:16:40 UTC
Karah Serrigan wrote:
The solution to this is pretty simple. We need cloaky freighters. But dont make them suck and be like jfs which only have 1/3 the cargo of a normal freighter. Let them have at least 2/3 or so.

First off I like the Idea :-D
I see a glorious future for cloaky AFK freighters...Oh wait...you would have to be there to press cloak everytime you align, but yeah it is highly improbable that someone decloaks you during that very short time.

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Ghazu
#496 - 2012-09-26 07:23:59 UTC
Screw it, let us have cloaky dictors.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Pipa Porto
#497 - 2012-09-26 07:28:10 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Screw it, let us have cloaky dictors.


Umm... you can fly a Dictor without fitting a cloak?


Learn something new every day...

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-RubyPorto
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#498 - 2012-09-26 07:37:22 UTC


It's funny that most of the intelligent comments I have read on here are from the goons themselves.

Maybe we should just ban pvp in all of high sec, so that we could fix the issue for one group of players and mess everyone else's game up. I mean we did it with mining ships why not.

Seriously though, haulers need to learn better strategies instead of calling for some new patch.


However, I am prepared to offer protection for any freighters that require it for a small fee. You will put your freighter alts (mains for some of you....) into my corp. We will run freighters as groups with armed escorts. I have already setup 20 new accounts to multibox with and I have some friends ready to move their toons in as well.

1. Pay a one-time application fee of only 250m. Please send to corp or my ceo and mark "freighter service" so I do not accidentally double your isk on my character.

2. Monthly fee will be 100m.

3. We will coordinate runs as small groups of freighters with an armed escrort. If gankers show up, we will web your ship to allow a quick warp to a corp safespot, rep your freighter as needed with our guardians, and finish off the gankers with the main escort fleet. We will then continue on. We will have multiple safes in each system so you can quickly warp no matter how you get bumped.


***BONUS If your ship is lost in fleets....

1. We will buy you a new identical ship at no cost to you.

2. We wil reimburse you for any lost collateral up to 3 billion per haul. We must limit this amount to guard against fraud.

3. NO limit on reimbursements. You pay us to take on the risk for you. You will earn slightly less a month, but you won't have to worry anymore about losing a 1.5+b ship and its contents/collateral.


Wait, there's more!

If you cannot afford or otherwise do not wish to partake in monthly option, you may rent our services for 25m a day. You will still have to join our corp for that day and fly in our fleets, but you can use us off and on.


***SPECIAL BONUS

You may prepay in advance and save fees!

Options:

1. Bronze: Send 450m isk, which covers your application fee and 3 months of coverage. This saves you 100m isk over 3 months. (better deal)

2. Silver: Send 700m isk, which covers your application fee and 6 months of coverage. This saves you 150m isk over 6 months. (even better deal)

3. Gold: Send 1b isk, which covers your application fee and 12 months of coverage. This saves you 450m isk over 12 months. (most popular package)

4. Platinum: Send 2b isk, which covers your application fee and LIFETIME use of our services, which may save you billions, not to mention you stop losing any more isk ever again to gankers! (BEST deal)


Feel free to reach out to me with any questions you may have. I think I have covered all the bases here.

Please note that I am already getting lots of questions since I floated this idea elsewhere recently.

To ensure you reserve a spot before corp is filled, act now to secure your spot!


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Pipa Porto
#499 - 2012-09-26 07:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Erotica 1 wrote:
However, I am prepared to offer protection for any freighters that require it for a small fee. You will put your freighter alts (mains for some of you....) into my corp. We will run freighters as groups with armed escorts. I have already setup 20 new accounts to multibox with and I have some friends ready to move their toons in as well.


Pirate I'll join.
Quote:
IRONCLAD GUARANTEE:

If for ANY reason you are unsatisfied with our service, you may demand a no-questions asked 100% full refund within 30 days. I am absolutely convinced you will love our service so much


PirateShockedLol

Oh Erotica, you big kidder.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#500 - 2012-09-26 08:09:00 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:


It's funny that most of the intelligent comments I have read on here are from the goons themselves.

Maybe we should just ban pvp in all of high sec, so that we could fix the issue for one group of players and mess everyone else's game up. I mean we did it with mining ships why not.

Seriously though, haulers need to learn better strategies instead of calling for some new patch.


However, I am prepared to offer protection for any freighters that require it for a small fee. You will put your freighter alts (mains for some of you....) into my corp. We will run freighters as groups with armed escorts. I have already setup 20 new accounts to multibox with and I have some friends ready to move their toons in as well.

1. Pay a one-time application fee of only 250m. Please send to corp or my ceo and mark "freighter service" so I do not accidentally double your isk on my character.

2. Monthly fee will be 100m.

3. We will coordinate runs as small groups of freighters with an armed escrort. If gankers show up, we will web your ship to allow a quick warp to a corp safespot, rep your freighter as needed with our guardians, and finish off the gankers with the main escort fleet. We will then continue on. We will have multiple safes in each system so you can quickly warp no matter how you get bumped.


***BONUS If your ship is lost in fleets....

1. We will buy you a new identical ship at no cost to you.

2. We wil reimburse you for any lost collateral up to 3 billion per haul. We must limit this amount to guard against fraud.

3. NO limit on reimbursements. You pay us to take on the risk for you. You will earn slightly less a month, but you won't have to worry anymore about losing a 1.5+b ship and its contents/collateral.


Wait, there's more!

If you cannot afford or otherwise do not wish to partake in monthly option, you may rent our services for 25m a day. You will still have to join our corp for that day and fly in our fleets, but you can use us off and on.


***SPECIAL BONUS

You may prepay in advance and save fees!

Options:

1. Bronze: Send 450m isk, which covers your application fee and 3 months of coverage. This saves you 100m isk over 3 months. (better deal)

2. Silver: Send 700m isk, which covers your application fee and 6 months of coverage. This saves you 150m isk over 6 months. (even better deal)

3. Gold: Send 1b isk, which covers your application fee and 12 months of coverage. This saves you 450m isk over 12 months. (most popular package)

4. Platinum: Send 2b isk, which covers your application fee and LIFETIME use of our services, which may save you billions, not to mention you stop losing any more isk ever again to gankers! (BEST deal)


Feel free to reach out to me with any questions you may have. I think I have covered all the bases here.

Please note that I am already getting lots of questions since I floated this idea elsewhere recently.

To ensure you reserve a spot before corp is filled, act now to secure your spot!


IRONCLAD GUARANTEE:

If for ANY reason you are unsatisfied with our service, you may demand a no-questions asked 100% full refund within 30 days. I am absolutely convinced you will love our service so much





I can vouche for this service.

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