Player Features and Ideas Discussion

+1 to some form of prevention to the most blatantly broken mechanic in eve, cynos.

I'm personally on board for a spool up time as well as mass limits based on skill level and meta level of cyno instead of a specific jamming modules, but either way some relative nerf to this exceedingly broken mechanic is needed and has been needed since it's implementation.

All in all, I must say that cyno mechanics are easily one of the most fundamentally flawed mechanics in eve.

The first rule of any engagement, unless you're some ~elite PVP~ muppet, is to make sure you've got a good chance of
1) achieving the objective
2) don't lose too much while achieving said objective (aka avoiding a pyrrhic victory)

Complaining about how hotdroppers are able to do this to you just means that
1) you weren't prepared
2) it was your fault since you weren't prepared.

In null and lowsec, you provide your own security. If you don't provide enough security (or don't have enough backup to deal with whatever comes your way), then that's your problem. You screwed up that situation.


When it's a situation which is working just fine, and has tons of ways to avoid or deal with the problem, then it is time to just deal with it. Hotdrops isn't a problem that needs fixing, certainly not by fitting a module on a ship.

So you think that it is ok to send out a single cheap ship equipped with a module without a counter, have a gang of expensive ships staying in safe without any risk and then let the cheap ship die or not depending on your chances to gank the victim.

Is this really the only most sucessful way to go?
I think not. And im not alone.

I think if someone wants to hotrop he also have to bring more than one ship before he open up the cyno. Some more Risk for him to lose more if he decide not to help his baits.

Let's take a moment and think about what you are saying.

I hear you suggesting that expensive combat ships should be at risk. That somehow the hot drop mechanic removes this risk for them.
On the surface, this sounds like it is possible. Heck, let's light a few torches and tell these arrogant devils what we think of them betraying our trust in fair fights like... oh, wait a second!

I said fair, didn't I? Ooops, my bad.

EVE is a sandbox. This is not heaven for fair fights and polite duels.

How exactly is that fleet supposed to reach a target, which obviously will run at the first hint of a threat like a scared rabbit?

Every system with local chat broadcasts the fleet's passing like a marching band on parade.
Ever see a marching band sneak up on someone? It just doesn't happen with fleets in EVE either.

So, in order to threaten the targets that are available, they need to be sneaky and clever. Hot Dropping into target systems by surprise, often on top of targets not paying enough attention.

Good news for those wanting to get that fleet. You can freely fight your way to them, and fight them in their system while they wait for their cyno.

I am sure they would love to meet, exchange fruit baskets, etc.

You can also trick them into coming for a visit, by using bait.

Don't tell me you are refering to the old there is always a bigger fish story....

PS: read Lord Zim's posts, maybe you can still learn something about arguments.
PPS: Lord Zim can you comment my posts instead of Robert. Your posts seems to have more weight.

So you acknowledge that having allied ships present will act as a deterrent against hot drops.

If hot drops avoid you due to your use of teamwork, and consequent strength of presence in system, what problem remains?

You have just outlined how to beat hot drops.

let all those small corps living across lowsec and null sec tell you something about that
all you need is a little bit of brain and talent to avoid hotdrops and learn how to pick your targets.

Given how long jump bridging takes its amazing anyone gets caught by cyno traps these days. Really no one in a fast ship will ever get caught, no one in a range ship will ever get caught and so on.

Being -10 sitting on a hi sec gate is meant to have consequences, and unless you are gc cthey are not even fatal ones alot of the time. You know you can just camp a system further down the pipe.

You can prevent hot drops by having more friends near by, yes. (blobbing argument)
You can also pop the cyno bait, yes. (not quick enough for small/medium gangs)

The idea for the cyno jammer is that you need to do more than: get the bait in, cyno, easy kills. You would have to get a smaller fleet together which is even smaller or equal to the size of the fleet you want to kill. While fighting them, you kill their cyno jammer and can as usual hotdrop them with your superior gang and kill them.

but. There is nothing wrong with that?! Why is that a problem? They bring their gang. You either bring yours as well or dont let ya catch with pants down.
How easy their kills are depends on you and only you, noone else!


here is your fault.
Getting scrammed and webbed by a noob char with max tank (either even without mwd, point, web and sensor booster or full of plates and what not). Getting scrammed by a random scrub is enough evidence about your stupidity, which is killing you time after time after time by the same people. You deserve that.