Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Pirates will whine... how should they kill noobs in the future if they always simply warp away once scrammed?


I think this is an interesting change. It would be nice if by this low-sec would be much more populated by miners etc. The good thing is that it is self-balancing. If we really should end up in the situation that everyone and his dog are flying the ORE mining frigate in low-sec then pirates will adapt and simply fit three points on their ships to catch them. But they will only do this if there really will be enough of them to kill. So I think this is a very promising change!

HIC with 2-3 sebos should work

I don't get why people are complaining so much about the +2 warp strength. If you really want to kill it, and don't have a HIC, volley it with a thrasher that has 3 sebos before it warps.

This is not a T2 ship. It is the entry level mining ship. The bottom rung in the ladder. Wait until we get a t2 version for a dedicated gas harvester that outperforms current gas mining setups

I like it...for T1 it is exactly what we need and not more. Won't unbalance the game in the slightest. T2 (if there is one) would probably have its durability enhanced, maybe drone bay increased, and yield slightly better. Same as Barge vs. Exhumer. Either way I am happy. Mining is once again a viable corp, and pilot career choice. Good job CCP, ORE has a gas ship now!

If a T1 frigate looks unimpressive next to a battlecruiser, that isn't saying much. A frigate that could do the job of a Ferox and an indy would be hilariously OP.

Patience. This is just the little starter ship.

I hate to be rude, but literally what are you even talking about? You're talking about a frigate. Something that takes a couple of seconds to align and warp. It also has a utility high for a cloak, meaning once its off-grid it can literally vanish without sacrificing a mining laser at all to do it. It has no defenses because it's a bloody industrial ship. It's defensive ability is its ability to quickly run away.

My shuttle / ibis / Mammoth / Orca have no defenses either, are you gonna give them all built-in WCS as well? Explain to me why it's necessary to make an already-escapable ship literally invulnerable to 95% of solo PvPers.

e: I'll put it another way: Stop ruining this game by designing new ships with the intention of making every type of activity in EVE eminently accessible to the lowest common denominator of player. I assume that by, "the areas its supposed to operate [in]," you mean lowsec and nullsec? These areas ARE DANGEROUS. They are SUPPOSED to be dangerous. You can't then go in and add new ships which generally mitigate these dangers without (further) screwing up game balance.

Take it from someone who's lived in nullsec for five years-- it's already hard enough to kill industrialists in nullsec. Firstly, there are very few of them anymore (since most people make their money in Sanctums or in high-sec); secondly, the ones that do exist are almost impossible to catch (since most people have learned by now to watch local and warp to their POS / station [speaking of stations, it seems like there's one in every nullsec system these days-- its as bad as highsec]), and even the ones brave / stupid enough to sit in sites with hostiles in local frequently aren't catchable either, due to them needing to be scanned out and there being literally no way to tackle an aligned ship (the closest you can come to achieving this is using a bomber, and even those take a couple of seconds to get a point, during which time most targets can warp out).

Nullsec is already boring as all hell and full of blue balls. Please don't make our balls even bluer by adding built-in WCS to industrial ships, especially ones that are as escapable as a frigate to begin with :cripes:.

It's just stupid, there's about a zillion things they could do to encourage more people to do productive things in nullsec. Giving "newbies" stabbed mining frigates (which will be entirely useless for what CCP envisions them being used for anyway, since newbies trying to ninja-mine will still get instagibbed by the first half-awake gatecamp they encounter) isn't one of them.

Ok. In that case, please add a mid slot to every ship in the game so I can fit "enough" points to tackle a mining ship without completely gimping my ship for every other purpose.

Also, I would love for you to explain to me how to use my determination to keep people from warping out of their mining site when a hostile appears in local. Since even huge, clumsy ships like carriers can be off the field before a tackler can arrive on their location, I'd really LOVE to know how to stop even fast-aligning ships using my own willpower. Do elaborate!

Hey look, a frigate that comes free with the tutorial missions and only requires a hundred-million isk faction scram to tackle; that is, if the pilot is ******** enough to allow you to get on grid with them and burn into scram range first.

Yeah, great point.

noobs are stupid and wont warp away until attacked so just get in an alpha ship and use a passive targeter...