EVE Fiction

After all this time, I have not seen anyone decipher these terms, which seem to me to be a cornerstone clue in the Sleeper Mystery. So, I am reopening the discussion, hoping for new insights...

Dropbear posted the following a long time ago;



My own research, backed by the above, put me squarely at Nowruz as containing some of the answer to the question.. Nowruz means New Light. Ruz means light, of that I am certain, but, is it a degeneration of now, as new, or does it include another line of thought? Or can also be translated as Gold (same base as Aurum and the name of our ship's AI) or Out Of, as From..

So the Oruze Enclave can be concieved as Enclave of the New Light, Enclave of Light, Enclave of the Gold Light, and could also be stretched a bit to mean Enclave of the Dark Light.. Hinting at Macaper's Prophecy...

Osobnyk has me at a total loss, considering what Dropbear said about this one;



Which tells me the conclusion many of us arrived at is dead wrong.. No passenger trains in Anoikis..

But, I did find some interesting lines of thought.. OSO - ???? - nyak is mother in Indonesian...

So, anyone have any new insights?

Just found these very interesting Original Folk Song Lyrics


There is a house in New Orleans They call the Rising Sun.
It's been the ruin of many a poor girl, and me, O God, for one.

If I had listened what Mamma said, I'd 'a' been at home today.
Being so young and foolish, poor boy, let a rambler lead me astray.

Go tell my baby sister never do like I have done.
To shun that house in New Orleans they call the Rising Sun.

My mother she's a tailor; she sold those new blue jeans.
My sweetheart, he's a drunkard, Lord, Lord, drinks down in New Orleans.

The only thing a drunkard needs is a suitcase and a trunk.
The only time he's satisfied is when he's on a drunk.

Fills his glasses to the brim, passes them around.
Only pleasure he gets out of life is hoboin' from town to town.

One foot is on the platform and the other one on the train.
I'm going back to New Orleans to wear that ball and chain.

Going back to New Orleans, my race is almost run.
Going back to spend the rest of my days beneath that Rising Sun.

If t hey live in a virtual world, then wouldn't their "construct" be their home, and these "enclaves" a representation of themselves in the "waking world"? Doesn't necessarily mean this, however.



Enclave has more than one definition. A secure area within another secure area, for instance. There are multiple "enclaves" within the Mirror site. Secure areas within another secure area.

It's more than just finding the definition, but finding which definition fits the evidence. If the context of the sites is missed, does it really matter what the names mean? "Emergent ideologies" could mean one of many things, and taking the terms themselves may not in and of themselves bring light to the meaning of the whole.

Just something to consider.

Roga, while I enjoy looking at your theories, how does it all tie into Oruze, Osobnyk, or the Sleepers? They're wonderful theories; but they are based on a lot of information that is either superfluous or unrelated to the sites themselves. Names are labels. Are the Talocan directly linked to the ancient Aztec Empire? Don't see how they can be, aside from the label. A label placed by a game developer who, at the time, may have had some loose theories about what would happen to them. Comparing New Eden history to our own is easy; the writers have to use something as a basis, and we've got plenty of history to use. That doesn't mean that every answer lies within mythology.

Why is the Oruze Enclave important?

Why is the Oruze Osobnyk site important?

Will we be able to figure out what the labels mean, or is it pointless to speculate since we can't come to a consensus as to what it means?

There are more easily solved mysteries within W-space, and ones that don't need a Doctorate in Comparative Religion and Linguistics to decipher.

Feel free to continue the speculation; I don't think it's the way forward. I've got a pretty good plan on how to move forward that doesn't really require figuring out the definition of Oruze, nor Osobnyk.

It starts with a simple hypothesis: the Sleepers are Jovians. In a meta-game sense, it's obvious; especially with all the glaringly obvious "These are Jove" revelations in Templar One.

So, game on Roga?

I am really not that intelligent of a guy, nor am I, as some would maintain, "dead set" on a specific resolution to this mystery. My own theories have changed substantially over the years, and I am always willing to be swayed by good information. My original premise placed the conflict between the Modifiers and Statics, which I admit, was a gross misunderstanding of the "real" picture.

@ Borascus, I like the Dark City film reference, though, I haven't seen it yet, added to list.. Sleeper Enclaves represent the Jovians of biological descent, the Oruze Enclaves represent the new, unbiological, emergent Jovians, IMHO.

I interpreted Cohort to align more to Cohort Study.. Given it's subject matter and the many clues scattered about, it seems pretty obvious there are two viral infestations floating around. One is biological, the other technological. The Spot, the virus in Ani, the Rogue Drones and the Cohort Enclave, along with a lot of minor nods imply this.

This also implies a conflict between the material Jove and the non corporeal Jove (an over simplification). The hints I have seen from Templar One (like I have time to read it ) imply the Jove didn't want to acquiese and go quietly to that eternal slumber.

@Nikilaiki, I don't equate the Aztecs to the Jovians beyond a pattern, a semiotic construct based on emergent ideologies. For there are clear Zoroastrian elements to the Sleepers, as well. Comparative religion is really a simple thing, one that can be understood by examining ANY of it's offshoot paths. With "God" as the overiding creative principle of "life" or "living" as Lianda Burreau expressed it. Note her reaction to the Enclaves, stirring something deep within her that immediately recognized it's structure (archtype\symbol). Because it has been programmed into humanity, via the Yan Jung semiotic process, which is not to say they "created" it, just that they understand and manipulate it.. It doesn't matter what course society takes, it is inherantly marked by the ancient archtypes of subconscious human existence.

They are Aztec in semiotic representation only, but, one which implies the devs have a general outline in mind. Triples and cycles.. Three races make the Jove, who become three subraces of Jove in a cycle of normal human "evolution". The patterns are here, in the now. It follows that those patterns will continue, unless something changes in the basic structures of human thought process. We are doomed to repeat the same mistakes, unless we are able to break the cycle by adopting emergent ideologies.

If humanity truly shares a "collective unconscious", what better way to manipulate humanity than to create a largely unconscious collective of humanity and begin to modify the unconscious symbolism that drives it? Which would, in turn, filter into the larger human population via natural osmosis. To which the material Jove respond by creating a Society of Conscious Thought to thwart the designs of their subconscious adversary.

And yes, I know, that is a convoluted and very unintelligable response, I will try to clean it up..

In the above references to the Conformists, the Zoroastrian(Vedic) base seems to have moved toward Zen Bhuddism (metaphor of the planetary name Soekhiviti) which reflects the apparent philosophy of the Jovians, and incidentally, the Achur, Caldari(Taoism) and Intaki.. Drawing many parralels to the Yan Jung..

@Niki, would love to hear of, or assist in your plan, I live in Anoikis..

I see the Church of England as the model for the Conformists. Check out;

The Vicar of Bray

Penal Laws of Ireland

To this notion of Conformism is added a militancy I liken to the jihadist extremism of Islam..

Also note there is no sense of Christianity in this model, only the idea of State Conformity of Religion. Nor do I believe the Unified Catholic Church to have been strictly Christian. Somewhere along the line conventional Christian ideas of Messiah must have adapted.. And something similar to Zoroastrianism became the dominant human religious devotion. Perhaps likened to Zurvanism as the model for the UCC.. Possibly a form of which survived in the Takmahl?

Also notice that many of the "particulars" between the two seem to have been inverted.

I'll try and dig out notes. I think I remember coming to the conclusion that they were to do with stellar engineering, whatever form of engineering that was. So much depends on what you assign relevance to. For example, how relevant is it that we call them 'Oruze' when 'Oruze' is not an English word, yet everything else is in English? (Oops forgot Osobnyk)

IIRC, check the Mirror for related topics, had a list of stuff in the same facility.

The Talocan Cosmos states they they were around when the Eve Gate was open... Not clear on whether they came through the gate, though..

Appreciating your comments as always Roga, the Conformist description has meaning now.

Wyke, the New Orleans comparative is plausible, but opens the question as to why the Talocan migration is to the far side of the cluster from the measured location of Anoikis as it would mean that their nomadic long-distance seed ship / caravan travels would stop short in Venal/Tenal (if the galactic disc was at a different point of spin, which opens more questions, like why they needed to be near the Centre of the New Eden star cluster).

Even more questions arise when the disc alignment of New Eden is such that no rotation was apparent at the time of the Talocan existing in Anoikis and New Eden, as they would have passed through the drone regions in their long-haul flight.

Unless ofc the displacement of Anoikis is also in the horizontal plane and they missed (not hard considering the huge distance).


If the Timeline of New Eden is accurate then Roga's Thread "Can we glean present "truths"... here might also stand to gain from the Timeline of events showing the conformists settling and taking control of Soekheviti in 36 years, and being exiled 56 years later.

The part I was hoping had already been discussed from an information seeking point of view is the understood reasoning for why it took 36 years to colonise a planet around Sol, and how control was established if they were original settlers.

Alongside the reason it is 204 years after its discovery in a completely colonised solar system and how the funded excursion lost control and were exiled (considering they had 36 years unabated to colonise and a further 56 years of sunbathing)

Everything else has been a bonus for sure but:

There must be some historical reason for an entire planet being classed as a land of pure bliss, within the current solar system, whilst only taking 36 years of development to become a controlled infrastructure, whilst also being wrested from its government 56 years after that. What happened while the conformists enjoyed the sunshine on Soekheviti? Earth became liberal enough for an invasion?

Timeline
Destructor1792's wiki page on Sol

Although; The Conformist's appear in the Amarrian Timeline only, and Warp Technology is discovered soon before their exile.
* Note: Warp Drives for ships are invented 380+ years after Warp Technology is discovered.

Perhaps the Oruze Osobnyk and other constructs needed to be isolated from the remainder of civilisation for protection, even then.