Player Features and Ideas Discussion

god forbid there is 1% of risk in ganking a single ship with 10 people

maybe you should be prepared to fight a gang? That's what hot drops are typically, a gang that wants a fight. Gangs typically wont hotdrop a single ship, unless it is expensive, so unless you are in a gang, you don't have to worry about hotdrops much, and if you are in a gang, you should be ready to fight a hotdrop, or run quickly. It's not that hard.

No. This is sad but they hotdop everything....



In deep null sec maybe but not in Lowsec. Or better .. not near my home :-)



No. They could use 2 or 3 or 4 Ships with cynos. The main problem is that you get the Hotdrop only if they outnumber you by 2:1 or greater. If not, they let the single Cyno die. Wow.. 30m Isk loss.

If there were such a module they are forced to use more than one Ship or another Tactics and are probably willing to fight at eqal numbers instead to lose their 3 or 4 Cynoships.

3-4 ships, which you would ofc spot in local 2 jumps away and f*ck off to station, safespot or whatever.
A cyno ship MUST look like a usual gank victim - alone and stupid.


I feel you play the wrong game. Eve is not about equal fights, they do happen occassionally but they aren't very eve-like and rather exceptional. Even in 10 vs. 10 most likely outcome is one gang running from the other because of 1) fleet composition 2) FC shitting himself 3) falcon 4-n) think you something else.
Surprise buttsex however reflects entirely eve spirit in whole, people mostly engage because they feel they are in advantage over others, who usually think the same way and would probably run anyways. Cyno is a good and sometimes required tool to provide said surprise buttsex.

no. Like I previously pointed out, the sole purpose of cyno is bypassing local intel, which is absolutely fine because local is definitely ridiculously OP and allows 100% safe pvp except for hotdrops, which you want getting nerfed.
Having more friends is not OP its the nature of MMO.

gangs are big not because people dont accept losses but because everyone wants on KM, such gangs grow very quickly. From personal experience I wouldnt mind to jump with 3-4 people on a single target (already did that with BO). The blobbing issue isnt a specific cyno problem, its present in whole eve. However by creating such a cyno inhibitor you would practically make cyno useless for hotdrops, since you would only kill unprepared people, everyone else including gatecamps will have taken their last threat away and leave them unopposed - cyno is the only way to get them busted.

I don't think is needed. Hot drops are part of the dangers of living in New Eden.

If you're getting hotdropped all the time where you are based you've got at least three options:

1. Assume anyone from the corp/alliance that's dropping you has a cyno and warp off/shoot them if they appear on grid.

2. Find out the name of their titan/blops pilots and be extra vigilant when they are online.

3. Move.

If you are losing a lot of ships to being hot dropped then this is going to continue until you make it not worth it for them. Deny them the easy kills, or make them expensive in terms of losses and they'll find someone else to attack. Play the long game.

Ok and again... or better i quote it:


Or in short: I dislike the Chickens not hotropping if they do not absolutly outnumber us! And the worst thing on that is that all they risk if we catch the Bait is that one single 30m ship. Hotropping is 0 Risk and MAX reward because you never have to move out anything of value.

Scanning a ship to detect bait is only feasible in a limited number of situations... For example: You can't scan a cloaked ship.

Really, the cyno mechanics are not "fine"!!!!

1.) Cyno mechanics allow capitals to travel from station to station 100% safe... The ONLY way a pilot is vulnerable when traveling via cyno from station to station is incompetence or betrayal. As a drawback, the cyno ship is vulnerable for an extended period of time... but that ship can be a disposable noobship, so the drawback isn't really a drawback!

2.) Hotdrops are a completely unscoutable force. I can send a scout into a gate camp, and it can report the composition, setup, etc.. You can't pragmatically scout hotdrops except in a very limited circumstances.

3.) I think this cynojammer has potential, but needs some tweaking...
-- When a cyno is lit, the ship that lights the cyno is immobilized for 10 minutes, and creates a warp-able beacon. I think it's appropriate for the cyno-jamming ship to have similar drawbacks...

This is how I would edit the idea:
a.) I think a cynojammer module should not turn off a cyno, but should just inhibit bridging/jumping to the cyno... essentially leaving the cyno ship with a cyno up and all the cyno drawbacks, but disconnected from all the support he's trying to cyno in.
b.) I think the cynojammer should be directed at the ship that lit the cyno, inhibiting all cyno's lit by that ship. For ease of targeting, targeting the cyno should auto-target the ship that lit the cyno.
c.) I think using the cyno jammer should immobilize your ship for a moderately nasty time frame (like 1-3 minutes). It should also have fitting requirements that make it only feasible to fit on a cruiser or larger sized ship! This will limit gatecamps from straight up cynojamming every ship that enters it.
d.) I'm toying with this idea: Let it work on POS cyno beacons too...

If it just turns off a cyno, I can use it to turn off any cyno when I'm done with it, and I no longer need to wait the full 10 minutes for a cyno to go down.
It can be reasonably countered when the hotdroppers bring multiple cyno ships, or when they bring in ships outside of cyno jamming range.
Since cyno-jamming leaves you vulnerable, so it won't be will nilly used to disrupt logistics unless you have support.
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It encourages people to hurry up with bridging... which may result in lots of jump to instead of bridge to misclicks!!!

1.) Your right that the cynojammer doesn't solve the cyno station games. I only mentioned it as one of the imperfections of cyno mechanics. I also once suggested that if a cyno is lit on a station, ships should automatically materialize 5+ km's outside of the docking perimeter (in a similar manner to how ships materialize when they attempt to cyno in too close to a POS shield). Lets just say JF pilots loathed such an idea, and it was generally deamed unacceptable, as people think mutlbillion isk captials should be safe accept for when they are prepared to bring it into combat. We'll drop this topic now..

2.) Difficult to scout and unscoutable are two very different concepts. Achilles was hard to kill, be he wasn't unkillable. Interdiction nullified covert T3's are hard to catch, but they aren't uncatchable (although they are too close to it for my taste!).
Finally, pointing out how its broken that "local chat doubles as an omniscient intel system" is hardly justification for maintaining a broken hotdrop mechanic. I firmly desire to Replace Local With an Intel Tool, so people have to work for their intel (Read my thread to see moreless what I'd like implemented). However, I don't think the problems with Local being used as an Intel Tool are solved by hotdrop mechanics!!! Sure they allow you to catch skittish gate campers, but hotdroppers are not better, more honorable, or less chickenshit than gatecampers... they're just more advanced in the gank, and are typically even more risk adverse!!! If you want a compromise, perhaps covert cyno's should be unjammable.

hotdroppers are usually locals who live in a certain area, they have their titan in a certain POS and dont move it much. So if you are moving in an area a lot you know the locals and could always scout their staging POS and have their titan in watchlist.


so? eve isnt fair and I dont like the idea of having absolutely no counter for gatecampers.
One option more is always better than one option less, dont you think?