EVE General Discussion

This is very true and jump ability is not the problem.

Being able to get back in 15 minutes or even 2 hrs is moot because I can come back in 24 hours anyway.

But if my stuff is being hit and it IS vulnerable then I HAVE to come back immediately. Having a 15 minute jump back is prudent and neccessary.

But the result? Staying @ 100% offensive ability without adequate homeland defense will ultimately be impossible.

If you just want to shoot rats, harass random people, aren't interested in sov, and don't mind living out of a POS, then why not just go live in a worm hole or npc nullsec?

What is stopping you from going to npc nullsec, dropping a POS and harassing the near by super power? There are plenty of defense oriented POS fits out there.

Also, you do know that when a POS goes into reinforced mode, most of the modules go offline? You can hobble a mining or production POS but just repeatedly putting it into reinforcement.

Lol defend against what? We have to "show up at work and sit there just because?" At the end of the day if you don't have enough dudes for fleets you aint gonna accomplish jack. You are missing the fact that behind that empty space there are a bunch of duders who will log in when needed, which sadly isn't true for all alliances.

You are just whining about how you want to mount sov assaults but poo poo it is too much :effort: Also you are in the wrong place wondering why nobody is home, you need to harass the richer ratting grounds.

npc corp solo fighters grinding out our tens of millions of ehp structures

It is possible to use guerrilla tactics to wear down a larger enemy.

And from what I've read so far, you are not the T.E. Lawrence of Eve.

Think about the numbers you are talking about. If Goons are in the thousands, you'll need to get hundreds of friends to form a group one tenth the size. Also, find a successful guerrilla campaign that didn't have military or financial backing from another power.

I'm not saying it is not or should not be possible. Right now, with current game mechanics, you can definitely wear down a large alliance's will to live in and defend their space to the point that you could eventually start dropping sbu's and only get token resistance.

The hard part about this is not the POS or the general structure grind. That stuff is just boring. With a couple hundred people, the right skill sets, some dedication, and either deep pockets or a sugar daddy, you could start grinding down some large alliance. The hard part is finding people to organize and lead all this. If you had that, you wouldn't be here crying about empty space. You would be working on taking it.

What exactly is it that you want? You want us to rat more, to not stay in front-line staging systems and hold our dicks at home? to defend against some phantom threat that does not exist?

I guess you haven't heard of this thing called "timezones".


The part where you haven't figured out this interesting thing called "timezones".


Again, timezones.


Actually, the problem with alliances not being attacked to a greater degree is the fact that the SOV system enables the defender to not give a **** for almost a full week, and then blob that one system ONCE, and reset all progress back to square one. This means that you can defend anything up to 6 or 7 fronts at the same time, at 6 or 7 different points in your space. It'll be strenuous, but it's possible, as long as you're able to win that final timer. What needs to happen is that the act of taking a system needs to be a much more gradual process, where the attacker's progress can't be reverted at the last timer.

But I doubt you'll see this, because you're sitting somewhere in hisec and frothing at the mouth about how we can "make isk without expending effort", nevermind the fact that we've expended a lot of isk to get those moons.


Let me, again, remind you of this wonderful idea called "timezones".

And which part of "timezones" haven't I got?

I'd suggest it was discovered and discussed earlier - in depth.

That's not in-depth, that's you handwaving "yarr make life miserable"-"solutions" into the mix. It was god-awful. It would mean that if we wanted to, we could just win a single fight (or no fight if we're in a different timezone from the defenders) and roll over large swathes of space in one go, because the defenders had gotten beaten and given up that day, only to have to log in the next day to rebuild their entire space or recapture stations and re-freighter in ihubs, tcus etc.

No, you don't ~get timezones~.


The SOV system needs to be changed. Everyone in nullsec (who aren't ********) has been saying this for years.


Huh. "Be realistic" you say, and then completely ignore the whole "timezones" bit and say that everything can be killed without a reinforcement timer? Because a system where you can roll over someone's entire space and flip/destroy everything in one go is "a realistic option"?


Let's talk about a sov system which makes it harder to defend more than 1 front at a time (as opposed to today's system, which easily allows for multiple fronts to be easily defended at the same time). That is, if you actually want to improve things, instead of just "ARRRR KILL NULLSEC ARRRR".

As to "don't need to take a system", this is possible today. We did this with Raiden.


And with a better sov system (no, not your awful abortion of a suggestion), this would be possible.

Or, we could of course just go back to the old days of pre-sov, where stations being flipped was a daily occurrence. I hear that was ~fun~.

Been this way for a long time, there are often reports exactly like the OP. I personally have done this several times, I once shot a station for a while with 2 thoraxes because it was completely empty.

You just try and settle in that space though....

Null has always suffered from that thing you see toddlers do: They play with a toy, then they drop it and move on to something else. If another child picks up the 1st toy they run back and snatch it back and say 'mine' even if they werent actually using it.

I dont blame them: in the end you are probably just there to fight them or stop the PVE they are doing, possibly to afk cloak.

Has someone already mentioned power projection?

I think that covers most of it