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Annubis Lorn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-09-24 17:56:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Annubis Lorn
Ok... I'm sure I'm not the only one that is just sick to death of these ppl.

CCP... You are always talking about fixing and balancing things... well here's an idea for you to kick around...

Personally, i feel like there should be a way to scan down cloaked ships. Require maxed out scanning skills with a full rack of scanning implants and hardwires...Make it take some time, not an instant lock.

Don't make it easy or cheap to do, but make it possible.

It's one thing when you fly around in cloaked ships from system to system, but to park your ship in an enemy system and go AFK isn't combat, it's not gameplay, it's childish and stupid, and should really be changed.

Personally i see it as a type of exploit, and it is a completely unbalanced tactic.

Of course this thread is going to be filled to max capacity with whiners and crybabys that live for nothing more than to irritate people and basically just be smarta****, but personally i feel like there should be SOME kind of an option to make an offensive move towards an AFK cloaker.

Here's a idea.... Take the auto repeat off of the cloaks... Give them a 15 min cycle time that has to be reset.

Another idea...... Make cloaks eat cap, make a cap stable cloaked ship impossible.
Risien Drogonne
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-09-24 18:05:49 UTC
Annubis Lorn wrote:


Of course this thread is going to be filled to max capacity with whiners and crybabys that live for nothing more than to irritate people and basically just be smarta****.

You mean it'll be full of people like you?
Annubis Lorn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-09-24 18:07:00 UTC
Risien Drogonne wrote:
Annubis Lorn wrote:


Of course this thread is going to be filled to max capacity with whiners and crybabys that live for nothing more than to irritate people and basically just be smarta****.

You mean it'll be full of people like you?



No, it'll be full of ppl like you.
Donnerjack Wolfson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-09-24 18:29:06 UTC
Or maybe you can just grow a set. That'd be cool, too.

An AFK cloaker doesn't accomplish anything except what you let him - that is, if you shut down your operations, it's on YOU.
Annubis Lorn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-09-24 18:42:40 UTC
I suppose there won't be a single educated and proper response to this thread. Just more 12 yo shutins that don't have anything better to do than trash ppl in the forums and talk smack. Thanks guys for showing your ignorance. YAY EVE for attracting every ****** and ***hole in the gaming community.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#6 - 2012-09-24 18:55:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cephelange du'Krevviq
Annubis Lorn wrote:
I suppose there won't be a single educated and proper response to this thread. Just more 12 yo shutins that don't have anything better to do than trash ppl in the forums and talk smack. Thanks guys for showing your ignorance. YAY EVE for attracting every ****** and ***hole in the gaming community.


I'm far from 12 and definitely not a shut-in - not that I really need to justify my response to you. Most people deal with AFK cloakers just fine. You either shut down your ops because it's not worth the risk, or you prepare as best you can and press on. If you shut down your ops, you're 98% likely doing exactly what the AFK cloaker wants you to do.

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Personally i see it as a type of exploit, and it is a completely unbalanced tactic.


It's not an exploit, nor is it unbalanced. It's an account being sustained month after month, and not generating any income or anything else productive.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-09-24 18:56:37 UTC
Annubis Lorn wrote:
I suppose there won't be a single educated and proper response to this thread. Just more 12 yo shutins that don't have anything better to do than trash ppl in the forums and talk smack. Thanks guys for showing your ignorance. YAY EVE for attracting every ****** and ***hole in the gaming community.



And why should there be? Given the hundreds of other posts that have come up on the same subject?

I think the concept is called "beating a dead horse"

either way, there are plenty of valid in game counters to an afk cloaker. And other valid reasons to be able to stay cloaked for long periods of time (I have been cloaked off a pos for hours NOT AFK) just gathering intel. Of course thats in a WH where you wouldnt know I was there anyhow.

OOO, maybe you could start a "get rid of local" thread too. Haven't seen one of those in awhile either.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#8 - 2012-09-24 19:09:55 UTC
Annubis Lorn wrote:
Ok... I'm sure I'm not the only one that is just sick to death of these ppl.

CCP... You are always talking about fixing and balancing things... well here's an idea for you to kick around...

Personally, i feel like there should be a way to scan down cloaked ships. Require maxed out scanning skills with a full rack of scanning implants and hardwires...Make it take some time, not an instant lock.

Don't make it easy or cheap to do, but make it possible.

It's one thing when you fly around in cloaked ships from system to system, but to park your ship in an enemy system and go AFK isn't combat, it's not gameplay, it's childish and stupid, and should really be changed.

Personally i see it as a type of exploit, and it is a completely unbalanced tactic.

Of course this thread is going to be filled to max capacity with whiners and crybabys that live for nothing more than to irritate people and basically just be smarta****, but personally i feel like there should be SOME kind of an option to make an offensive move towards an AFK cloaker.

Here's a idea.... Take the auto repeat off of the cloaks... Give them a 15 min cycle time that has to be reset.

Another idea...... Make cloaks eat cap, make a cap stable cloaked ship impossible.


Spoken like a true victim of HED-GP Bomber's Bar Operations.
The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#9 - 2012-09-24 19:38:15 UTC
UMADBRO?

LEAVE -A-, THEY CAN NOT PROTECT YOU

ALSO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GO MINE ICE IN YOUR MACKINAWS CAUSE IM SICK OF LOOKING AT THEM SIT IN THAT POS DOING NOTHING AND SO ARE YOU
Annubis Lorn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-09-24 19:38:32 UTC
ok, honestly.... AFK cloakers are chicken ***** that dont have the backbone to do any proper PvP, and im gonna go out on a limb and say that the responders to this post are exactly the pilots im refering to. And no..... havnt been a victim in HED to that bunch of FAIL ass bombers that couldnt hit a titan hung up in an asteroid belt.

The only ones that need to grow a set are the little girls that sit in a SS cloaked for hours on end because they cant fit a ship that may actually kill someone. You guys dont want it fixed because then you would have no reason to play EVE since you cant really kill anyone.
Annubis Lorn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-09-24 19:40:37 UTC
The Djentleman Paulson wrote:
UMADBRO?

LEAVE -A-, THEY CAN NOT PROTECT YOU

ALSO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GO MINE ICE IN YOUR MACKINAWS CAUSE IM SICK OF LOOKING AT THEM SIT IN THAT POS DOING NOTHING AND SO ARE YOU



LMAO.... TEST? really? Youre one of the biggest fail alliances in eve. your entire group is made up of little girl cloakers that cant kill anybody. lol.
Suddenly Supercaps
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-09-24 19:45:20 UTC
Annubis Lorn wrote:
The Djentleman Paulson wrote:
UMADBRO?

LEAVE -A-, THEY CAN NOT PROTECT YOU

ALSO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GO MINE ICE IN YOUR MACKINAWS CAUSE IM SICK OF LOOKING AT THEM SIT IN THAT POS DOING NOTHING AND SO ARE YOU



LMAO.... TEST? really? Youre one of the biggest fail alliances in eve. your entire group is made up of little girl cloakers that cant kill anybody. lol.


Yep.. he's mad.
Cueball McGee
LeaveThisBlank
Memento Moriendo
#13 - 2012-09-24 19:47:11 UTC
Annubis Lorn wrote:
The Djentleman Paulson wrote:
UMADBRO?

LEAVE -A-, THEY CAN NOT PROTECT YOU

ALSO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GO MINE ICE IN YOUR MACKINAWS CAUSE IM SICK OF LOOKING AT THEM SIT IN THAT POS DOING NOTHING AND SO ARE YOU



LMAO.... TEST? really? Youre one of the biggest fail alliances in eve. your entire group is made up of little girl cloakers that cant kill anybody. lol.


You're absolutely right. Can't kill anyone. Might as well ignore those Test dudes in local and go back to ratting in your Nightmare or mining that ice.
Gheyna
Hoover Inc.
#14 - 2012-09-24 19:53:30 UTC
u mad bro, madmadmad go rat with your friends then.

also, people who are afk cant kill you.
if you are cloaked you cant target people - if you cant target people you cant kill them
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-09-24 19:54:25 UTC
Annubis Lorn wrote:
ok, honestly.... AFK cloakers are chicken ***** that dont have the backbone to do any proper PvP, and im gonna go out on a limb and say that the responders to this post are exactly the pilots im refering to. And no..... havnt been a victim in HED to that bunch of FAIL ass bombers that couldnt hit a titan hung up in an asteroid belt.

The only ones that need to grow a set are the little girls that sit in a SS cloaked for hours on end because they cant fit a ship that may actually kill someone. You guys dont want it fixed because then you would have no reason to play EVE since you cant really kill anyone.


See, by painting everyone with such a broad paintbrush, you're only setting yourself up to be wrong. I have better things to do with my EVE time than sit in a system cloaked for hours on end. It's a shame your underbritches are chaffing or whatever it is that has you grouchy.

Also, there are a lot of differing opinions as to what "proper" PvP is; you PvP your way, others will PvP their way. Sometimes that PvP takes the form of PsyOps - aka, sitting cloaked in a system to disrupt ops and/or gather intel.

It's a shame you can't accept that as a valid tactic.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-09-24 20:06:10 UTC
Easy solution: automatically log of clients after 30 minutes of inactivity.
In my opinion when you're having an effect on the game and the game-play of others you should be behind your computer screen, playing the game. I find it totally unacceptable that you can log in a character and go to work or head to bed and still have an effect on the game.

Sitting cloaked in system is just a matter of play-style. You are there, observing, waiting for the target to drop his guard. It's quite a bit of work and patience actually to find that right moment to drop the hammer and do maximum damage.

People who do 90% of that work while not even being behind the computer-screen cheapen that effort.

I basically consider them bots, the computer is playing the game while the player is doing something else.
Cueball McGee
LeaveThisBlank
Memento Moriendo
#17 - 2012-09-24 20:12:01 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
Easy solution: automatically log of clients after 30 minutes of inactivity.
In my opinion when you're having an effect on the game and the game-play of others you should be behind your computer screen, playing the game. I find it totally unacceptable that you can log in a character and go to work or head to bed and still have an effect on the game.

Sitting cloaked in system is just a matter of play-style. You are there, observing, waiting for the target to drop his guard. It's quite a bit of work and patience actually to find that right moment to drop the hammer and do maximum damage.

People who do 90% of that work while not even being behind the computer-screen cheapen that effort.

I basically consider them bots, the computer is playing the game while the player is doing something else.


So what you're saying is that you want to know for sure that someone's there so you can stay safe in your station or your POS, and come out again when they log off or leave. You don't want to have to watch dscan, you don't want to have to stay aligned, you don't want to worry about your ratting ship having to PvP.

Safe ratting and mining in nullsec, just like hisec. Yep, seems reasonable.

If this isn't what you mean then please explain how someone going AFK cheapens your experience.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#18 - 2012-09-24 20:14:01 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
I basically consider them bots, the computer is playing the game while the player is doing something else.


Logic fallacy; the only thing they are "doing" is sitting there. The only effect they are having is what the other players are allowing them to have.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#19 - 2012-09-24 20:18:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Alua Oresson
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=278164

It doesn't appear to be the people making fun of you that can't kill anything...


Edit: In before "this isn't my main character"

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-09-24 20:27:40 UTC
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Sjugar wrote:
I basically consider them bots, the computer is playing the game while the player is doing something else.


Logic fallacy; the only thing they are "doing" is sitting there. The only effect they are having is what the other players are allowing them to have.

Nope, they're Schrödinger's cloaker. You can never know whether they're AFK or not, so you have to act as if they're there. So they do have a very real effect on the gameplay.

AFK cloakers aren't the problem, it's when they're not AFK that you can have a problem and hey, there's no sign saying whether someone is AFK or not.
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