Crime & Punishment

Wait wait wait, what?

E-Uni cried for help, we gladly responded because we're mates like that and you guys didn't even dec them back?

OP is bad and should feel bad.

Thanks for letting us in on the fights though. We're having doog tiems. Maybe you should try it sometime...


EDIT:


Just so I understand; you're saying a new player's only choices to learn how to PVP are to

A. Join RvB and learn by doing (and getting blown up a lot and having fun the whole time) because we are not nor do we bill ourselves as a teaching institution.

or

B. Join E-Uni and sit through some very straightlaced (though very informative) courses and be subjected to serious business comms and attitudes?

I suppose it comes down to how much you value fun. If you want to come home from work or school and log into this game so you can go back to school then by all means do so. For me the choice is clear. I'll take RvB's fail fleets and drunken comms all day every day.

You'll notice we're not the ones needing help here. We seem to do alright for a bunch of drunken rifter alts.

1.You understand incorrectly, read suggestion on joining eve uni or rvb with a noob char in context. No where does it say these are the only choices.

2. We do have them war dec'd. Six of us have chars in RvB

Your link is broken.

No ?

Hey, I'm gonna make a cool quote, because I'm cool and all :
Bhaal check, Fleet phoon check, EVEuni is just short of a vindi to become the new UMAD !

Dear U-Mad alt...

Poast with your main!

Hi.


(done)

As someone who was in E-uni for a few months and also was part of a corp that decced E-Uni over the summer i can see both sides of this arguement.
I reguarly look at the uni killboard and go on their forums, in my opinion the culture has changed, the uni seems less concerned now bout shutting down completely during wartime, as it did when I was a member, and more to do with reasonably strict rules that give you leeway to mess up and to learn. For such a large and diverse corporation their losses really are quite minimal, in part because unistas are well trained and in part because most losses are from younger players. High sec wrecks seem to be done mostly to irritate the defender and I don't see why E-Uni should be exempt from that. Although there are many young players there are also enough experienced players who are able to lead fleets that are tough to mess with. The same is true of their LSC which brought about the war decs in summer.
I actually think that the more interesting thing about the Uni is the change in their ROE and a change in attitude towards ganking by some of the playes, I can't find the link on my phone but there have been neutral industrial ganks in null and more of an aggressive, smack talking style of play in low. This is all obviously valid, accepted gameplay techniques, it just seems to move away from the very neutral safe Uni of old, and is more of a general, branched, corporation style with different groups doing different things. The uni seems to be becoming a place where it is easy to stay for a long time even if your focus is pvp, and to me that makes its focus less of a training corp and more of a corp that offers good training and accepts young players as well as old.

Tl:dr I went off topic, the uni will deal with whatever you throw at it.

ROFL @ you expecting a 40 person corp to meet you on some sort of field of Bushido Space E-honourororor and fight fleets head on that they have no chance of winning against. We can't even field as many people as E-Uni or RVB can field Logis and you want us to fight you your way? I don't think so.

Meanwhile, we'll keep racking up the kills.. what's the total up to now for us? Almost 10b in damages vs 800m in losses?

This, my friends is the stuff that Eve is made of. The clash of in game cultures and philosophies.

Like my corpmate Arianne mentioned, we had a brief war with the Eve U as part of the whole LSC thing this summer. When the LSC camp moved elsewhere, our war ended. I don't think of our corp as nice or even fair, but deccing Eve U after the LSC was moved elsewhere really did not interest anyone.

That said I do read the Eve U lossmails during these wars. Anyone who doesn't admit they get a kick out of the victims of the mission machariel and obelisk kills begging to not be kicked from the corp is lying. It's proof that Eve is alive and kicking.

When I got wind that RvB had joined Eve U in their war I decided to spend this past weekend around Aldrat in order to take in some of the action and drama. While I didn't see much, I love everything about this ongoing war.

You have Eve U and RVB as the British Army, marching out in 100 ship rank and file fleets and you have UMAD scattering and taking up positions to pick off stragglers as they return home, like the American revolutionary army hiding behind stone walls. That this sort of stuff can even occur within game mechanics is what makes Eve so great.

Although I've already admitted the pleasure I get from reading the comments on the juicy Eve U lossmails, I do have a lot of respect for what they are out there trying to do in Eve and its no easy task. As a hi-sec troublemaker myself, I also enjoy the prankster-esque actions of UMAD.

I chatted a bit in local on Saturday with Kel, Eve U's CEO and made sure that he knew that this thread and the entire war were being appreciated by people like myself, parties not directly involved on either side. You have to respect the different philosophies of all three parties involved in this war, as it's the clash of those different groups that make this so entertaining.